Health Care Reform Part IV: The Trumpening

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  1. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    The universities should have some ownership of that research.


    Well if the univiersities do not have ownership of any of the research, then it is not stolen since it belongs to the researchers.

    that sounds very logical to do, if universities are paying for the research, they should have some ownership on it.


    There are also no compete clauses, hard to do with research universities I suppose.
     
  2. song219

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    To Americans it's inconceivable that research has a value in itself. It is only valuable to the extent you can monetize it.
     
  3. When you monetise it, the research has value. The monetised bit doesnot fall out of the blue sky into the pharmas lap.
     
  4. yossarian

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    Jimmy Carter Blvd in Gwinnett? Granted I don't drive on it very often, but I would imagine crappiest road in this state would be a very hotly contested competition -- lots of candidates.
     
  5. JohnR

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    Companies don't believe that research has a value outside of money, but the researchers themselves certainly do. At least, the good ones.
     
    Dr. Wankler repped this.
  6. VFish

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    I don't venture up to Gwinnett often, but when I do I avoid JCB.
     
  7. VFish

    VFish Member+

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    JCB is Buford Highway without the charm.
     
  8. superdave

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    You mentioned a great live version of an REM song. I thought you said it was Gardening at Night, but I checked it out, and it was mediocre.

    Was it a different song? Or does iTunes just have a different version than the one you were referring to?
     
  9. You really should hope so as we are leading in research for the most deadly form of cancer.
    The Feyenoord team doctor Casper van Eijck is the worlds leading expert in research pancreatic cancer. He was supported by one of the USA tech billionaires, who himself iirc suffered from that disease and from time to time flew him in for treatment and talks about the research.
    https://www.supportcasper.nl/en/about-us
    Casper van Eijck weet inmiddels hoe belangrijk Feyenoord voor ...

    https://www.defeijenoorder.nl › Hand in Hand

    14 feb. 2018 - Doordeweeks gaat Prof. Dr. Casper van Eijck (60) de strijd aan met alvleesklierkanker, in het weekend zit hij als clubarts van Feyenoord in de ...
    Clubarts Feyenoord wil met nieuwe behandeling kanker te lijf ... - Ad

    https://www.ad.nl/.../clubarts-feyenoord-wil-met-nieuwe-behandeling-kanker-te-lijf~a...

    9 mei 2016 - Hoogleraar chirurgie Casper van Eijck: 'De manier waarop mensen met ... Van Eijck, in de weekenden clubarts bij Feyenoord en liefhebber ...
    Schitterende opbrengst voor Support Casper- Feyenoord.nl

    https://www.feyenoord.nl/nieuws/.../schitterende-opbrengst-voor-support-casper

    18 mei 2018 - De clubarts van Feyenoord is het gezicht van de campagne Support Casper en al meer dan 25 jaar als specialist verbonden aan het Erasmus ...
    Chirurg en clubarts van Feyenoord Casper van Eijck over een nieuwe ...

    https://www.nporadio1.nl/.../436956-oncoloog-en-clubarts-feyenoord-casper-van-eijc...

    13 dec. 2017 - Casper van Eijck is oncoloog en clubarts bij Feyenoord. Hij maakt zich hard voor een nieuwe aanpak van alvleesklierkanker. Zijn stichting had .

    So you should support and donate to this idealist, not driven by money but by compassion.

    Edit: That Yank billionair was Steve Jobs. Other famous person that flew him in was Sonia Gandhi.
     
  10. VFish

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    Glad to hear Holland will save the world. You want my recipe for a killer peanut butter and pickle sandwiches? Add a little sambal and you are golden.
     
  11. Wonder how you react if one of yor loved ones is in those circumstances and the cure comes available. Long for it via the way the Dutch gouvernment wants it to come onto the market or long for it via the hands of the pharma mafia that knows people are going to pay the jackpot to get the medicine against a 99% guaranteed killer.
     
  12. VFish

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    Perhaps I am obtuse, but why is the Feyenoord team doctor an expert on pancreatic cancer? Don't you want a guy that knows something about knees?
     
  13. VFish

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    Dutch healthcare is baffling.
     
  14. Yup. You common Yanks have no clue of what we Dutch are capable of. That C van Eijck research takes place at my Alma Mater Ersamus university.
    A couple of years ago the Obama gouvernment decided to use Dutch experts (from my Alma Mater) in birds flue research, as we were the only ones capable of that.
    The results were so disturbing Obama ordered (instigated by the NSABB) the scientists to keep silent about it and even forbid already announced publication of it in scientific magazines out of fear terrorists could use it. He also stopped funding the research.
    Onnodige ophef over vogelgriepvirus | medischcontact

    https://www.medischcontact.nl/nieuws/.../onnodige-ophef-over-vogelgriepvirus.htm

    7 feb. 2012 - 'Amerikaanse terreurbestrijders begrijpen influenzaonderzoek niet' ... Ron Fouchier naar een gevaarlijk vogelgriepvirus deels geheim te houden. ... De NSABB kreeg de vraag voorgelegd of de risico's van publicatie groter zijn dan het nut, ... maatregelen zoals het geheel verbieden van dit soort onderzoek
     
  15. Highly Contagious Bird Flu Virus Strain Created in Dutch Lab - ABC ...

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/highly...bird-flu...dutch/story?id...

    - Vertaal deze pagina
    20 dec. 2011 - US Blocks Publication of Research on Highly Contagious Bird Flu Strain ... the public health and research communities, the NSABB recommended that ... 1996, H5N1 has killed hundreds of millions of birds, but transmission to ...
    Flu Researcher Ron Fouchier Loses Legal Fight Over H5N1 Studies ...

    https://www.sciencemag.org/.../flu-researcher-ron-fouchier-loses-l...

    Vertaal deze pagina
    25 sep. 2013 - Dutch court confirms that export license is needed to publish certain influenza papers. ... (Dutch), could provide new roadblocks for Fouchier's research in the future. ... normally infects birds, transmissible through the air between ferrets, ... the U.S. National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB) .
     
  16. Nice linking health care with terrorism. Everything is connected it turns out....and the Dutch are the linking pin:cool:
     
  17. VFish

    VFish Member+

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    You do realize I've been advocating the Dutch system for 10 years now, right?
     
  18. VFish

    VFish Member+

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    You lost me here. WTF?
     
  19. I was referring to myself, making a bridge between healt care thread and terrorism via the Obama gouvernment.
     
  20. xtomx

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    Do you make the peanut butter and are they "house made" pickles?:whistling:

    If not, no thanks. ;)
     
  21. VFish

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    Great, I am still lost. Don't hurt yourself.
     
  22. VFish

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    These are hand crafted quality sandwiches. Extra sambal for a pansy like you. You can thank me later.
     
  23. I won't. Wear gloves and mask during genetically merging ebola with the Dutch modified bird flu virus.
    Are we being watched?:cautious:
     
  24. VFish

    VFish Member+

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    I have no idea. Is this Dutch humor, because I am half Dutch and don't get it.
     
  25. Yeah, must be the missing half link. It's Dutch paranoia about nsa privacy intrusion.
     

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