Health Care Reform Part IV: The Trumpening

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  1. dapip

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    Where was that I read that the people that complain the most are those who pay the less?
     
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  2. ceezmad

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    Occupy Wall Street critics?
     
  3. VFish

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    Yeah, the trust fund Occupy Wall Street babies are the worst. Unwashed, over educated, and fugly.
     
  4. Funny, I guess what she calls bloodwork is a test of your blood. She tells that you have to be ill to get it, but you can get one if you want, for instance to check for diabetis, vitamine b deficiency or whatever.

    About the time the doctor spends on you. I never get to see my doctor on the time I made the appointment for, as they always run out in spent time with other patients.

    I noticed though many expats, especially women, complain about Dutch doctors.
     
  5. VFish

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    The Dutch and the Germans squabbling... never saw that coming.

    Hey White/Blue, Oma wants her bike back.
     
  6. White/Blue_since1860

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    We love the city that is Holland

     
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  7. White/Blue_since1860

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  8. Yup, while the favourite topic of Fixed News is in election years how geriatrics in the Netherlands are afraid to go to hospital as they're afraid of being euthanized and parading Dutch descend Americans that with dry eyes claim to have been back and see it themselves:rolleyes:, we still get very much older than Yanks.
    We probably donot kill enough of them as our life expectancy is in the top 5 and also still we get older and older.
     
  9. dapip

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    Several things:

    1. The US has half the population of Europe or as much as your five biggest countries together, so it's a little bit of apples to oranges.

    2. The disparities by state, but specially by income are astounding. There's a 10 year gap between the richest 25% and the poorest 25%. Our rich people can expect to live as much as the Dutch or the Germans, while the poor people are probably just ahead of Mexico or Turkey.



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    3. Our American exceptionalism requires that we sacrifice a lot of people to guns, car accidents, and of lately, opioids. The life expectancy for somebody aged 20-45 in an at risk region for drug overdoses, is probably in the 50s...

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    So, in other words, yeah is terrible, but it is more complex than just a simple average.
     
  10. Funny, when the overwhelming majority of users was coulored it was a crime and resulted in overcrowded jails.
    Since white suburbia is on a fast track to at least catch up with the "rest" of the country, resulting in increasing numbers of white deaths suddenly the mood changes to see it as a "disease", but for now only for the white suburbia.
     
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  11. No, it isnot complex.
    You've got money, you have a life.
    You donot have money, you're sentenced to an unhealthy life and early death.

    Two sentences. It's as un complex as can be.
     
  12. dapip

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    True.

    Technically is not white suburbia. The most affected counties are rural or industrial towns, not the areas surrounding big cities.

    That's a way to put it, which I don't disagree with completely. But it's still more complicated than what White/Blue portrayed. There are a lot of factors that can change the outcome, including geography, education and income. Yes, all three are connected, but is not a 1+1 equation.
     
  13. Q*bert Jones III

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    What a fascinating map. Here's my take: urban centers with easy access to the outdoors have longer life expectancy. And Minnesota.
     
  14. Some time ago now, about 1.5 years agi iirc, the Dutch tv had a report on heroin addiction in high income areas in New England iirc. The cause had to do with easy availability and the price going down.
     
  15. dapip

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    Not saying it is not happening, only that the areas most affected are poor rural or industrial towns.

    This NOVA documentary on addiction, focuses mostly on the epidemic in West Virginia:

    https://www.pbs.org/video/addiction-afsxne/

    By the way, the main cause of the opioid crisis is the over-prescription and easy availability (through more or less legal sources) of pain killers. Big pharma has been extremely happy pushing Oxycodone.
     
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  16. fatbastard

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    Maximum return for shareholders is the American Way.
     
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  17. NGV

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    Unfortunately, a lot of the red and orange on that map is not that hard to explain. Just by eyeballing it, it's clearly tied to a few factors:

    1. Being African-American in the deep South
    2. Being American Indian
    3. Living in the heart of Appalachia
     
  18. NGV

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    Actually, this is imprecise - including "in the deep South" wasn't needed. Lower life expectancy for African-Americans is the reality about everywhere in the country - it shows up on the map in that place because of population patterns.
     
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  19. This has been targeted by Dutch news programms as BPHarma has been increasing their push for use of painkillers and indeed we see it go up. The programms pointed at the very high addictive rates in the USA and the resulting deaths from it.
     
  20. ceezmad

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  21. raza_rebel

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    I'm going to paint some broad brushes and probably (rightfully) get skewered on it wrt Appalachia Kentucky. I lived nearby in my formative years and returned from a climbing trip there a few months ago. A few things stuck out to me.
    • There are a lot of smokers there. A lot. That region missed the whole "Smoking Kills" adverts.
    • Appalachia is still a bit isolated, so my guess is the amount of health care professionals/care centers are fewer and further between than the national average.
    • There are few jobs to attract younger people (Pikeville but that is about it). They all have moved out to larger cities like Columbus, Cincy, Louisville. So the older people skew the average.
    • Going out on a limb but a majority of the jobs that let people stay there (manufacturing plant, logging, strip mining etc) is related to the environmental factors that show up as cancer, leukemia, black lung later on in life. I heard this a few times in school (University of Kentucky) where someone would mention how their drinking water (aka stream) turned green/red/frothy/tasted funny/ etc etc. Eventually it be outed that they lived near a strip mine. smokestack, or manufacturing plant and someone would ask "why don't you move?" The answer was usually the same "They are the only employers around. Where am I supposed to move?"
    • Appalachia has lower income and poorer educational system than the general U.S. population. These characteristics are generally precursors to poorer health.
     
  22. superdave

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  23. Auriaprottu

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    You really should tell him what it is you disagree with, instead of just throwing up a dissent meme and running off.
     
  24. White/Blue_since1860

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    A freedom to be left out in the streets and die does not enhance your freedom. A lesson the US still has to learn.
     
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