Health Care Reform Part IV: The Trumpening

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  1. dapip

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    Stupidly insane is a senior voting against his own interests...

    1051627258245341185 is not a valid tweet id
     
  2. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
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    Lolz your government can decide to cut health care on a whim. In a sense, the US is the last bastion of communism on this planet
     
  3. roby

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    Better hurry and get your Floo Shot! :thumbsup:

    Georgia already topping list for flu activity in the nation
     
  4. stanger

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    What agegroup constitutes seniors in this calculation?

    What was the ACA effect on Medicare Part B premiums and the costs of Medigap plans?
     
  5. The fact that in one sentence three acronyms are used for health care solutions (while there may be even more) shows there really is a problem.
    Your countries health care thinking needs a cure.
     
  6. M

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    Based on the chart that accompanies the tweets, they are talking about 60+ year olds, i.e. the oldest age rating for ACA policies. So "senior" seems like an inaccurate word as the vast majority in that bracket will be between 60 and 65.

    Logically, about the same as employer-provided insurance? In other words, very little.
     
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  7. chaski

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    Trumpcare will solve that problem too.
     
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  8. KensingtonSC

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    Trump's healthcare policy will also introduce the new Reverse Healthcare, wherein the government will pay you money every month to stay healthy, but, if you get sick, you become property of the US Government, and Stephen Miller can harvest your blood and organs for sustenance.
     
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  9. Naughtius Maximus

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    Indeed!

    Of course, to be fair, our system is also incredibly complicated.

    1. You pay taxes.
    2. You get healthcare.
    3. Er...

    Oh. I seemed to have reached the end of my argument :D
     
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  10. dapip

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    3. You publish the amount you pay to the EU on a bus.
    4. You promise to get the amount back for healthcare.
    5. You find that you can't.
     
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  11. M

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    People who believed that shite - like my sister in law - should be sent immediately to an NHS death panel.
     
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  12. dapip

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    I propose to have all the Brexit voters lay down on Abbey Road and let the Brexit bus roll over them.. literally...
     
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  13. Naughtius Maximus

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    Yeah, that's not actually part of the healthcare system. That's more about tory party politics. That goes on regardless of the healthcare system, IOW.
     
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  14. superdave

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    This chart is from a White House publication.

    Stupid ********ers don't realize Medicare = socialism.
     

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  15. dapip

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    Neither do their voters, so their "point" stands.
     
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  16. dapip

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  17. White/Blue_since1860

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    It's widely accepted fact there is not a single American who would recognize a socialism when he sees it. If you think universal health care equals socialism then this is a fallacy

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  18. dapip

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    Just to let you know, Americans that believe that Universal Healthcare is socialism live in a different universe than those that understand how a Social Democracy works.
     
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  19. VFish

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    We've been through this a million times. Universal health care doesn't mean socialized medicine. No one is against universal healthcare.
     
  20. Auriaprottu

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    When did White folks decide that socialism was a profane word to be driven around at every opportunity? I can think of a shitload of peckerwoods who could benefit from it.
     
  21. song219

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    After the Civil Rights Acts which made them realize that blacks would benefit also.
     
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  22. xtomx

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    #4122 xtomx, Oct 25, 2018
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    It is a widely accepted fact that every single American on this thread would recognize that you don't know what the f*ck you are talking about here.

    Sometimes you just say idiotic things, which is a shame, as frequently you make cogent points (especially early on in your participation on the Fire site).

    Yes, we ALL know that universal health care does not equal socialism.
    Even the morons who say that "universal health care equals socialism" do not believe it.

    I am not even sure if St. Reagan actually believed that. Sure, he attacked Medicare, but I doubt he even believed it was socialism (despite saying exactly that).

     
  23. White/Blue_since1860

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    No my point is that you think you can recognize socialism while you actually cant. Even those who are in favor of it. That you do know universal health care is not socialism is not proof of the opposite
     
  24. xtomx

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    Yes, and my point is that you don't know what you are talking about here.
     
  25. Chicago76

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    People aren't against universal healthcare? In what alternate USA do you live? It doesn't seem to be the Earth 1 or Earth 2 version.

    Universal healthcare: coverage for all people, cradle to grave, regardless of health condition. Universal healthcare is not universal theoretical access to coverage, as long as you can afford it.

    There are only so many ways to achieve universal healthcare, the two most obvious being:
    -single payer, which many people disapprove of because "choice" and cost to our government
    -some form of mandate/tax incentive that would require/induce all people to participate. Like the ACA, which no one every complained about, right?

    No one is opposed to universal healthcare provided:

    -the government doesn't tell them what to do
    -they don't have to pay for someone else's healthcare
    -it does not disrupt their preferred delivery system/access/provider network if they are already in a good place

    The preconditions for acceptance are impossible to meet. Kind of like I'm not opposed to people shooting up heroin after a long week, provided it was clean, non-addictive, no one dies from it, no one shares needles, etc.
     
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