Health Care Reform Part IV: The Trumpening

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  1. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    Honestly, he doesn't seem to me to be any different than he ever was. Just a bit more overwhelmed. Like a 5th grader who has a presentation due on a book that they didn't read

    The President Of The United States Of America, ladies and gentlemen.
     
  2. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Even though I have learned from psychology papers how people hate to admit mistakes, and will twist and turn and distort reality so as to convince themselves they got it right when they were wrong, I am still amazed by Donald Trump's 30-something approval rating. It should be much lower. If you picked 100 people off the street, 90+ would have worked harder, would be better informed, and would be better representatives for the U.S. He makes mistakes that diligent junior high school students would never make.

    So that has been my learning experience, the unwillingness of otherwise reasonable people to admit to their errors. Of course, there is another segment of diehard Trump supporter that embraces his terribleness, because they want a terrible President. They want to give the finger to anything positive. But those aren't the majority of Trump's current supporters ... maybe his initial supporters, yes, but they are nothing like 35% of the overall voter population.
     
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  3. Deadtigers

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    I think they could be right but it also could be that Sessions made it impossible for bubblefart to get rid of Kampfgruppe Mueller (Jitty's term, I find funny). Because now there is no way to directly fire Mueller. bubblefart likes to forget that he created this situation by firing Comey and trying to blame Rosenstein.
     
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  4. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    I did that too-- when I was about two years old and desperately seeking some of that status adults seemed to have.

    I gave it up as soon as I figured out they weren't just posturing, they actually knew stuff, and I could too if I worked at it.

    Like, well before age three I gave it up.
     
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  5. taosjohn

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    I grow less sure of that every day. :(
     
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  6. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
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    You were advanced for your age. Was talking with the wife yesterday, and we put Trump's emotional maturity at 2nd year pre-school. Four, turning five. But some kindergarteners are behind Trump (typically, the summer birthday boys), and some who have not yet entered pre-school are ahead. Different development speeds.
     
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  7. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
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    I confess to a bit of wishful thinking with that statement.
     
  8. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    Leave us remember that Trump was a child in the NY area during the heydays of both Casey Stengel and Dwight Eisenhower; princes of the run-on sentence that changes direction three times without ever getting to its destination, or even its verb.
     
  9. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    But they won BIGLY and were admired by millions. Trump only has the easily duped and suckups of America at this point.
     
  10. ArsenalMetro

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    Yeah, exactly. "Would pass." The Trump administration can't get out of its own way to actually do much of anything.
     
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  11. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    It depends on what you fear most. My big worry is the demise of democracy as we know it, as the executive branch runs roughshod over the other two branches and establishes authoritarian rule. Donald Trump clearly seems to be a larger threat to do that than Ted Cruz. However, for those who feel that such fears are overblown and that the real danger is that the GOP will get to implement its policies, then Ted Cruz is much worse than Donald Trump. As is Mike Pence, or pretty much any other national GOP conservative. Clown Boy is the left's dream when it comes to getting GOP legislation passed.
     
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  12. ceezmad

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    For sure, that is why people that hyperventilate about Trump can't argue that Cruz would be worse, because if Trump goes down, then we get President Pence.

    You can not (should not) run around screaming the sky is falling and we are losing our democratic institutions and then say but is ok because Trump is useless at doing anything.

    I mean we even have a thread that wants to take away the right to vote from Trump voters because of treason, you can not make that argument against Cruz voters.
     
  13. Boloni86

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    So Lamar Alexander said today that they don't even have 40 votes for a straight repeal. The more time they waste kicking this dead carcass around the less time they have for other stupid shit.
     
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  14. Dr. Wankler

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    At this point, he's the fifth grader who hasn't read the book, but who thinks he's entitled to deliver a TED talk.
     
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  15. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
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    As a side note, to the extent that anybody serious still supports Donald Trump (probably not), may I suggest studying California governor Jerry Brown?

    1) He has a Democratic majority that is larger than Donald Trump has a Republican majority.

    2) But unlike Donald Trump, Jerry Brown refrains from kicking around the opposing party because he's bored or angry or pissy, or pandering to his base, and instead cultivates relationships with them.

    3) As a result of those relationships, he got several key Republicans to cross party lines and vote a recent cap-and-trade energy bill, when Jerry Brown's version of the Freedom Caucus (his party's progressive wing) rebelled against the bill.

    Leadership. That is how a leader operates -- takes responsibility, knows what is in the bill, puts in the work, gets the job done. Jerry Brown is a leader. The current President is not.
     
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  16. superdave

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    “These guys couldn’t believe it, how much I know about it. I know a lot about health care,” he told the reporters.
     
  17. dapip

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    The problem is that if they can't pass something with more or less unified support within the GOP, imagine trying to pass more contentious legislation like the Debt Ceiling or the Budget Continuation.

    As with the AHCA/ACA repeal, they will have the wing nuts trying to stop the ceiling or killing funding for social programs, while moderates will try to keep the government running and their constituents' programs funded.
     
  18. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
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    "If you plant ice you're gonna harvest wind"
    (Garcia/Hunter, "Franklin's Tower")
     
  19. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    So embarrassing. He's like the kid who is making the speech and thinking he is killing it, while the class is holding back laughter.
     
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  20. Dr. Wankler

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    Trump is the Florence Foster Jenkins of American politics.
     
  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    I'd be all for electroshock for Cruz voters. Wouldn't go so far as taking their vote away tho. :thumbsup:
     
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  22. The Jitty Slitter

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  23. Jay510

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    Its his face right?
     
  24. Jay510

    Jay510 Member+

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    I mean, Trump cant do that much damage since hes just doing nothing, letting the status quo be. Cruz knows the system and would screw everybody just so he can have that smug look on his fat face.
     
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  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    ... and if anyone says anything about statins I'm gonna slap 'em!

    But, yeah... he sounds a bit like my dad a few months before he died.

    He was suffering from vascular dementia*. He was in hospital and said we'd left him in the middle of Birmingham, (about 30 miles away), and that he'd had a hell of a job to get back. He'd been in the hospital bed all the time, obviously. He also thought the nurses were his 'staff' and that he could instruct them to attend on his every wish.

    It was actually pretty amusing, tbh... with donny tiny hands, somewhat less so IMO.


    * And before anyone asks, no, I'm not!
     

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