HEADER statistics in football 2003-now

@greatstriker11 - maybe @Jaweirdo is right, and it's time to bury this debate. It's obvious @JamesBH11 will always argue nonsense to feel that Ronaldo is the third or second greatest player ever , we tried but cannot convince him so it may be time to let it go. At least let's hope we have made some sensible arguments to other posters that Ronaldo, while an all-time great and alongside Zidane arguably the best player of his generation (96-06), is also extremely overhyped and really failed in many aspects to fulfill the potential for greatness, most notably not giving a memorable WC performance in three tries. Let's just leave James keep his illusion

 

Very pathetic of him

But what is so sad and childish to some extend is that we never said that Ronaldo wasn't great not even once.

But when someone is that delusional and so deeply in love with their idols, the mere insinuation or hint of criticism from others upon their idols (even constructive criticism) will make them go ballistic!

When we said that R9 was a bit overrated, James and others here interpreted it as if we meant that R9 was not great at all. Only a die hard fan will take a unnecessary sensitive and defensive positioning like this. Paranoia!

A typical debate on R9 starts and ends almost always like this. I have seen this pattern occurring every time :

Fanboy: R9 is the best striker ever!
Responder: I think his a bit overrated or over-hyped though. You might be exaggerating a bit. He's great but what really makes him better then Romario or Baggio really?
Fanboy: What? Are you nuts? What do you mean that R9 is not great? 90% of the world say he was the best! You are in the minority! So shut up.
Responder: Ok, You show me evidence and I will back off.
Fanboy: Wait,...hmm. Here it is. Many voting polls from Placar, Bleacher.com putting R9 above Romario and Baggio. So he's better! Only Pele was better. In fact R9 was the only "heir to Pele". And R9 got to be called "fenomenon". Have they called Romario "el fenomenon"? No!
Responder: Well I can show other voting polls that clearly shows the exact opposite in your rankings. And by the way he was indeed seen by many as "Heir to Pele" but in the end it didn't happened so what have you got to say baout that?
Fanboy: Hmm...Well..Hmm. Have you seen Compostella?

Hahahahaha! How Pathetic!

Pipiolo "lets call it a day" and move on to some more interesting threads. @celito was right in that we should have buried this debate long ago, I should have listened to his advice.

 

@greatstriker11 has seen this injustice on how Ronaldo is undeservedly ranked near the top, while an equally great player, or possibly better, like Romario is not, so has decided to make an effort to rectify this unfairness. I see it as a worthy and correct effort so will back him up on it.

 

Sorry but did you say "proof"?

Were the hack is the proof you shared with us.

All the above is just your own rules and personal biases.

You have not shown one single proof of anything here.

You don't even know what good dribbling is all about.

And you don;t know shit about Brazilian football.

All you know is magazines and stats which most of the time are full of inaccuracy anyway.

So when are you going to stop being a useless prick everyday James.

Why don;t you share with us the Garrincha dribbles you've so extensively watched.

Share it with us, that's why we're here in the first place.

 

hi

do you have some stats for headers goals scored in the big 5 league . also, do you have stats for where in the goal, goals are made?

 

http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/26/arsen...-joined-no-one-has-more-in-that-time-5462249/

Is the EPL lacking as good headers as before, or is Giroud just really good? lol

 

Is it just me or is this one of the funniest posts in BS history

 

Football's Michael Jordan: Is Cristiano Ronaldo the greatest header of a ball ever?

The forward's average leap is 78 centimetres, which is 7cm higher than the average basketball player, while he can hang in the air for 0.7 seconds

In the fifth and final game of the Chicago Bulls' epic series against the Cleveland Cavaliers in 1989, Michael Jordan hit a buzzer-beating two-pointer that quickly became known as 'The Shot'.It was a fittingly simple but effective description of what Bulls coach Doug Collins conceded afterwards was a simple but effective strategy:"[It] was get the ball to Michael and everybody else [on the team] get the f*ck out of the way

Juve, though, have adopted an ever so slightly more varied approach since stunning the football world by signing Cristiano Ronaldo from Real Madrid last summer.Their objective is not just to find the forward's feet – but also his head.Last season, Juve were almost exclusively concerned with keeping the ball on the deck. Now, though, they also look to get wide at every opportunity and swing it into the box.Indeed, Juve didn't even rank among the top 20 for open crosses in all competitions in 2017-18. This season, prior to last weekend's matches, they sat fifth in the standings, with 692 – 10 more than they managed in total last term.Juve are now averaging 16.9 crosses per game; up from 12.6 in 2017-18 – and that's all down to Ronaldo.

The Portuguese's arrival has had several knock-on effects in Turin.Firstly, Mario Mandzukic is now more important than ever before because he provides Ronaldo with a reference point up front, a player to play off, and another excellent aerial target.Secondly, Paulo Dybala is no longer a certain starter and, even when he does play, he is deployed deeper, serving as a link-man between the midfield and Ronaldo in attack.Both forwards are essentially there to serve CR7, as are the full-backs, who are asked to provide width, and crosses.

The stark contrast between Juve's differing strategies – of this season and last – was best illustrated in Juve'sChampions League last-16 tie with Atletico.In the first leg, Massimiliano Allegri reverted to type and adopted a conservative approach, making the mistake of leaving the dynamic right-back Joao Cancelo out of his starting line-up, as well as persisting with an uncomfortable Dybala in between the lines.Neither selection paid off. Juve were far too passive against an aggressive Atletico side and paid the price, losing 2-0 at the Wanda Metropolitano.The Bianconeri enjoyed plenty of possession (63.1 per cent) but without any penetration; Atletico were far more direct and, thus, proved the far more dangerous side, with five shots on target to just two from the visitors.In the second leg, Juve saw roughly the same amount of the ball (62.1%) but this time they did something with it.They didn't just return to their tactic of looking for Ronaldo in the air; they doubled down on it. Juve swung in 30 open crosses in total, almost twice their usual tally.

Of course, in Jose Gimenez and Diego Godin, Atleti have two of the best defensive headers of a ball in the world. But even they had no answer to what was an all-out aerial assault.The final outcome? Ronaldo reigned supreme, scoring two headers – and a penalty – as Juve pulled off one of the great European comebacks, triumphing 3-0 on the night, and 3-2 on aggregate, to progress to the quarter-finals.

The five-time Ballon d'Or winner is adept at scoring every type of goal – he is the ultimate goalscoring machine, after all – but his aerial prowess is arguably the most remarkable facet of his game.Some of his most iconic goals have been headers.There were the towering efforts againstRoma and Chelsea during Manchester United's 2007-08 Champions League triumph, with Sir Alex Ferguson describing the former as "the perfect header".The iconic Scottish manager was on the receiving end in 2013 when Ronaldo powered home a header for Real Madrid in a Champions League clash with the forward's former club in 2013."Ronaldo's kneecap was at the height of [Patrice] Evra's head; even Lionel Messi can't do that!" said a flabbergasted Ferguson.Former Arsenal defender Martin Keown has compared Ronaldo's leaps to "watching a basketball player going up for a slam dunk".It's no exaggeration either.

At 1.86 metres (6 foot 1 inch), Ronaldo may not be as tall as most basketball players but, according to a 2011 study carried out by Neil Smith, a biomechanics expert from Chichester University, the forward's average leap is 78 centimetres (2ft 5in) – which is 7cm (3in) higher than the average NBA player.So, Ronaldo isn't only a clutch player, he also glides through the air, meaning he is essentially the Michael Jordan of football.And, just like Jordan back in his heyday, there's very little one can do to stop him when provided with quality service.

While it is always extremely difficult comparing players from different eras - given how football has changed over the decades - there is no doubt that Ronaldo is up there historically with the very best strikers in the air; the likes of Carlos Santillana, Oliver Bierhoff and Horst Hrubesch.Indeed, since 2008, he has scored 82 headers in all club competitions. Incredibly, that is 20 more than anyone else has managed in Europe's five major leagues, with Fernando Llorente next best on 62 headed goals.

As former Wales manager Chris Coleman said after watching Ronaldo leap to a height of 2.65m (8ft 7in) – he was 80cm (2ft 6in) off the ground, with 0.7 second hang time – to open the scoring in their Euro 2016 semi-final loss to Portugal, "You cannot defend against a jump of that height."

And that will be Ajax's primary concern ahead of Wednesday's quarter-final first leg against Juve in Amsterdam.The Bianconeri's main objective will be once again to get the ball to Ronaldo.
Ajax's task will be to stop the cross. Because there is simply no stopping Ronaldo in the air.