Head-To-Head Dominance

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by Kappa74, Dec 26, 2011.

  1. Kappa74

    Kappa74 Member+

    Feb 2, 2010
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    For those of you who track all-time regular season HTH results, it would be interesting to learn which team your club has had the most success against, and which team simply has your number. The sample size for my club is too small to be meaningful, but it is clear in Sounderville that LAG is our bane. Conversely, Seattle's 5-1-0 (WLD) against SKC is tops for my club. Particularly among the older clubs, who has the most dominate HTH record in MLS history?
     
  2. Barbieri

    Barbieri Member+

    Jul 8, 2004
    Decatur, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hate Chicago
     
  3. Kappa74

    Kappa74 Member+

    Feb 2, 2010
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Just looking it up, it appears that DCU edges out Chicago with a 16-15-10 WLD record. Seems about equal to me.
     
  4. HAthemm17

    HAthemm17 Member

    Mar 12, 2010
    Kingston, Ontario
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    We own the Crew.
     
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  5. ChrisV323

    ChrisV323 Member

    Jan 15, 2011
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We Own MLS
     
  6. Barbieri

    Barbieri Member+

    Jul 8, 2004
    Decatur, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Check the playoff records
     
  7. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    Literally. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Boul'Mich

    Boul'Mich Member

    Jul 16, 2006
    Chicago
    I do not know if there is another matchup in the league as consistently one-sided as Dallas v Chicago. The Fire have not beaten Dallas – at all, anywhere – for about a decade. And I think the goal differential is equally vast.

    This, after the Fire won just about every important matchup from 1998 until 2002, with 1999 being the notable exception.

    (correction, looks like I forgot the season opening game in 2009, where the Fire beat Dallas in Dallas)
     
  9. BHTC Mike

    BHTC Mike Member+

    Apr 12, 2006
    Burlington, ON
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Well played.
     
  10. Kappa74

    Kappa74 Member+

    Feb 2, 2010
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    I think you might have it nailed. My count has Chicago 11-20-3 WLD v. Dallas with only 2 wins in the last 16 games. This comes as a surprise since Chicago is a consistently good team. They currently sit 3rd in all time Pts/Gm at 1.513.
    Note: From 96 to 99 I counted Shootouts as draws.
     
  11. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    San Jose has dominion over New England.
     
  12. 15 to 32

    15 to 32 Straw Hog

    Jul 1, 2008
    Salt Lake
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    last 5 years: RSL owns the c rapids... with some help from a divine being

    (whether s/he wear an officials kit or is part of the post)

    'curse of the pablow shorts'
    - what it is known as in Salt Lake
     
  13. thomas19064

    thomas19064 Member+

    Apr 29, 2008
    Delco
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    small sample sizes.... but the best and worst from the Union are:

    0-3-1 against the Galaxy
    2-0-2 against Chivas
    2-0-2 vs. New England
     
  14. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Best record: (Including playoffs .600 or better)

    1.Sporting Kansas City/Kansas Wizards/Kansas City Wiz 21-9-11 .622
    2.New York Redbulls/Metrostars/NY/NJ Metrostars 22-9-12 .616
    3.CD Chivas 7-3-4 .607
    4.Colorado Rapids 19-8-11 .605
    5.Real Salt Lake 6-6-3 .600


    Worst record: (Including playoffs under .500)

    1.Houston Dyanmo 3-3-6 .375
    2.FC Dallas/Dallas Burn 14-5-22 .402
    3.Los Angeles Galaxy 17-5-19 .476

    Min. 10 games (W-T-L):
     
  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1 head-to-head victory on a blown offside call in the last two years is hardly "owning".
     
  16. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Mar 10, 2010
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In the small sample size for Portland:

    Chicago was kind enough to give us both our first home and first away wins in franchise history.

    We got 2 wins off of Vancouver.

    Colorado is 2-0-0 on us. The first loss to them was against the same exact lineup that appeared in the MLS Cup Final. Granted, that was probably the last time in the season that happened for them.

    Everyone else is some combination in between for Portland.
     
  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hell, when we removed Casey in the 60th minute of that game that was the last time all season that the MLS Cup starting lineup was on the field at the same time.

    Our second win against you was on a last-minute goal that probably should have been called offside. As one fo the few Rapids fans in Jeld-Wen Field that day though, I can't complain. :D
     
  18. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Call it a fit of boredom, but here's H2H PPG for each team. I counted a win as a win, regardless of it happening during the "no tie" era or not, so H2H PPG for the original teams is going to be off some.

    Chivas USA
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    TFC   2.20
    SJE   1.69
    NER   1.64
    RSL   1.58
    CLB   1.57
    POR   1.50
    NYR   1.43
    SEA   1.29
    SKC   1.14
    CHI   1.07
    DCU   1.07
    COL   1.05
    FCD   1.00
    VAN   1.00
    HOU   0.69
    LAG   0.64
    PHI   0.50
    AVG   1.24
    
    Chicago
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    TBM   2.42
    MIA   1.80
    SKC   1.80
    NYR   1.73
    CDC   1.71
    CLB   1.66
    RSL   1.64
    COL   1.64
    NER   1.58
    SJE   1.53
    TFC   1.45
    LAG   1.36
    DCU   1.34
    FCD   1.06
    HOU   1.00
    PHI   1.00
    SEA   0.50
    VAN   0.50
    POR   0.00
    AVG   1.35
    
    Colorado
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    VAN   3.00
    POR   3.00
    PHI   2.00
    CDC   1.68
    NER   1.66
    TBM   1.60
    CLB   1.54
    NYR   1.51
    RSL   1.41
    SJE   1.31
    SKC   1.29
    DCU   1.28
    LAG   1.23
    FCD   1.21
    HOU   1.19
    CHI   1.14
    TFC   1.00
    MIA   0.90
    SEA   0.67
    AVG   1.51
    
    Columbus
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    VAN   3.00
    PHI   2.25
    RSL   2.00
    NER   1.74
    TFC   1.69
    SJE   1.66
    MIA   1.58
    SKC   1.51
    POR   1.50
    HOU   1.50
    LAG   1.47
    NYR   1.46
    FCD   1.40
    DCU   1.33
    TBM   1.30
    COL   1.20
    CDC   1.14
    CHI   1.05
    SEA   0.50
    AVG   1.54
    
    Dallas
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    VAN   3.00
    TFC   2.10
    PHI   2.00
    CHI   1.83
    CDC   1.79
    RSL   1.75
    TBM   1.67
    COL   1.60
    DCU   1.55
    POR   1.50
    SKC   1.41
    CLB   1.40
    NYR   1.37
    MIA   1.25
    LAG   1.22
    SJE   1.20
    SEA   1.00
    NER   0.97
    HOU   0.89
    AVG   1.55
    
    DC United
    Code:
    Team   PPG
    POR   2.00
    TFC   1.92
    TBM   1.85
    NYR   1.73
    CDC   1.71
    COL   1.53
    CLB   1.51
    VAN   1.50
    NER   1.48
    MIA   1.47
    SKC   1.47
    CHI   1.41
    RSL   1.36
    FCD   1.24
    LAG   1.24
    SJE   1.22
    SEA   1.17
    PHI   1.00
    HOU   0.92
    AVG   1.46
    
    Houston
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    POR   3.00
    CDC   2.00
    DCU   1.92
    RSL   1.81
    CHI   1.75
    FCD   1.72
    SKC   1.58
    COL   1.56
    VAN   1.50
    SJE   1.44
    SEA   1.33
    TFC   1.30
    LAG   1.27
    NYR   1.08
    CLB   1.00
    NER   0.83
    PHI   0.50
    AVG   1.51
    
    Kansas City
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    POR   3.00
    VAN   2.00
    TBM   1.82
    NER   1.64
    TFC   1.58
    CDC   1.57
    RSL   1.50
    PHI   1.50
    COL   1.47
    FCD   1.41
    NYR   1.40
    CLB   1.37
    SJE   1.37
    DCU   1.33
    LAG   1.28
    MIA   1.25
    HOU   1.08
    CHI   0.98
    SEA   0.50
    AVG   1.48
    
    Los Angeles
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    VAN   3.00
    PHI   2.50
    CDC   2.14
    TBM   2.00
    MIA   2.00
    SEA   1.83
    SJE   1.67
    COL   1.66
    FCD   1.61
    DCU   1.55
    NER   1.54
    CHI   1.53
    SKC   1.52
    POR   1.50
    HOU   1.47
    TFC   1.40
    NYR   1.38
    RSL   1.37
    CLB   1.31
    AVG   1.74
    
    Miami
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    COL   2.10
    NER   1.88
    TBM   1.75
    FCD   1.63
    SKC   1.63
    DCU   1.47
    CLB   1.33
    CHI   1.20
    NYR   1.00
    LAG   0.88
    SJE   0.63
    AVG   1.41
    
    New England
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    VAN   2.00
    FCD   1.95
    HOU   1.83
    NYR   1.58
    TBM   1.55
    TFC   1.55
    SEA   1.50
    DCU   1.38
    LAG   1.29
    CDC   1.21
    CHI   1.20
    RSL   1.14
    SKC   1.14
    COL   1.11
    SJE   1.09
    CLB   1.07
    MIA   0.94
    PHI   0.50
    POR   0.50
    AVG   1.29
    
    New York
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    MIA   2.00
    POR   2.00
    TFC   1.77
    FCD   1.53
    PHI   1.50
    LAG   1.46
    CLB   1.40
    SKC   1.40
    COL   1.34
    HOU   1.33
    TBM   1.23
    CDC   1.21
    NER   1.20
    SEA   1.17
    SJE   1.16
    DCU   1.14
    RSL   1.14
    CHI   1.05
    VAN   1.00
    AVG   1.37
    
    Philadelphia
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    HOU   2.00
    CDC   2.00
    NER   2.00
    TFC   1.75
    SEA   1.75
    DCU   1.75
    CHI   1.75
    NYR   1.50
    VAN   1.50
    SJE   1.00
    CLB   0.75
    SKC   0.75
    POR   0.50
    FCD   0.50
    COL   0.50
    RSL   0.50
    LAG   0.25
    AVG   1.22
    
    Portland
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    CHI   3.00
    VAN   3.00
    PHI   2.00
    NER   2.00
    RSL   2.00
    CDC   1.50
    CLB   1.50
    FCD   1.50
    LAG   1.50
    SJE   1.00
    TFC   0.50
    SEA   0.50
    DCU   0.50
    NYR   0.50
    HOU   0.00
    SKC   0.00
    COL   0.00
    AVG   1.24
    
    Real Salt Lake
    Code:
    Team   PPG
    PHI   2.00
    NER   1.57
    VAN   1.50
    SJE   1.50
    TFC   1.40
    LAG   1.37
    DCU   1.36
    NYR   1.36
    SEA   1.33
    SKC   1.29
    COL   1.27
    CDC   1.26
    FCD   1.15
    CHI   1.00
    CLB   0.93
    HOU   0.88
    POR   0.50
    AVG   1.27
    
    San Jose
    Code:
    Team   PPG
    MIA   2.13
    NER   1.77
    PHI   1.75
    NYR   1.63
    FCD   1.61
    DCU   1.59
    SKC   1.50
    COL   1.50
    HOU   1.44
    TFC   1.25
    CLB   1.23
    LAG   1.17
    CHI   1.13
    RSL   1.07
    VAN   1.00
    SEA   1.00
    CDC   1.00
    POR   1.00
    TBM   0.64
    AVG   1.34
    
    Seattle
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    SKC   2.50
    COL   2.17
    TFC   2.17
    CLB   2.00
    CHI   2.00
    VAN   2.00
    POR   2.00
    SJE   1.86
    NYR   1.67
    DCU   1.67
    NER   1.50
    FCD   1.50
    HOU   1.33
    RSL   1.33
    CDC   1.29
    PHI   1.00
    LAG   0.83
    AVG   1.69
    
    Tampa Bay
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    SJE   2.36
    NYR   1.77
    CLB   1.70
    COL   1.40
    NER   1.40
    FCD   1.33
    MIA   1.25
    SKC   1.12
    DCU   1.10
    LAG   0.93
    CHI   0.42
    AVG   1.34
    
    Toronto FC
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    POR   2.00
    COL   1.90
    VAN   1.50
    RSL   1.40
    HOU   1.30
    SJE   1.25
    CHI   1.18
    LAG   1.10
    SKC   1.08
    NYR   1.08
    PHI   1.00
    NER   1.00
    DCU   0.92
    CLB   0.77
    CDC   0.70
    SEA   0.67
    FCD   0.60
    AVG   1.14
    
    Vancouver
    Code:
    Team  PPG
    CHI   2.00
    TFC   1.50
    RSL   1.50
    HOU   1.50
    PHI   1.50
    DCU   1.50
    SJE   1.00
    NYR   1.00
    CDC   1.00
    SKC   0.50
    NER   0.50
    SEA   0.50
    POR   0.00
    COL   0.00
    LAG   0.00
    CLB   0.00
    FCD   0.00
    AVG   0.82
    
     
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  19. Kappa74

    Kappa74 Member+

    Feb 2, 2010
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Yoshou, I rep your post if I could.
     
  20. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    Covered
     
  21. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Mar 10, 2010
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I stayed away from that painful memory, and we certainly got one up on Columbus in the same manner. The 3-1 loss, meh, I was happy to be there in person to announce our arrival in MLS and sing "We always win, 4 to 3!"
     
  22. generaladmissision18

    Jul 29, 2011
    Highland park, ca
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Man that list pretty much shows the Galaxy own haha
     
  23. Coach Dad

    Coach Dad Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Single biggest PPG with MLS long-timers (counting 98 expansion and earlier) is Dallas over Chicago.
     
  24. FuzzyForeigner

    Oct 29, 2003
    WA
    Club:
    Seattle
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    as a sounder fan I feel for Keeper Nielsen.
     
  25. eclipse02

    eclipse02 Member

    Sep 20, 2009
    Its more like the Crew own TFC.

    Columbus
    Code:

    Team PPG
    VAN 3.00
    PHI 2.25
    RSL 2.00
    NER 1.74
    TFC 1.69
    SJE 1.66
    MIA 1.58
    SKC 1.51
    POR 1.50
    HOU 1.50
    LAG 1.47
    NYR 1.46
    FCD 1.40
    DCU 1.33
    TBM 1.30
    COL 1.20
    CDC 1.14
    CHI 1.05
    SEA 0.50
    AVG 1.54

    Toronto FC
    Code:

    Team PPG
    POR 2.00
    COL 1.90
    VAN 1.50
    RSL 1.40
    HOU 1.30
    SJE 1.25
    CHI 1.18
    LAG 1.10
    SKC 1.08
    NYR 1.08
    PHI 1.00
    NER 1.00
    DCU 0.92
    CLB 0.77
    CDC 0.70
    SEA 0.67
    FCD 0.60
    AVG 1.14
     

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