Hazard Warning Signs - The Chelsea Transfer Thread

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  1. Blueallthru

    Blueallthru Member+

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    May 15, 2012
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    Here's what's funny though. Most of us would be ok with that contract for Sancho right? He's had one season of top flight football.
     
  2. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
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    Yeah, I don't envy the people making these decisions. Actually, yes, I do.

    You have to really weigh the risk here. Why would we buy Sancho when we already have CHO and Pulisic? Are they silverware-type players? I don't know.

    CHO is a top talent with a ridiculous ceiling. The one thing Sancho has that CHO doesn't is, like you said, at least a year of consistent playing time.

    In the end, why spend 50-60m plus wages to bring a player in when that player is already with us? And if he doesn't work out, we still have the option of going out to get someone.
     
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  3. truefan420

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    Sancho won’t be sold in Jan. Cho and Pulisic have a year to prove their worth passing on a top young target. I know it’s not long enough and that their both young players too with high ceilings. Cho is coming off an injury and it usually takes a year to adapt to the EPL for Pulisic. However, it’s the nature of the business. Hell the 3 of them could easily rotate between 2 wide areas. It works for City. It’s tough to know what to do with this team. There’s a lot of young promising talent and we haven’t seen the full first team play together because of injury. We will know a lot more about what we need in the coming months than we know now.
     
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  4. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    In all honesty, with CHO and Pulisic available, we probably need to spend money on CM/AM before we spent anything LIKE that sort of money on Sancho.
     
  5. Wrath

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    Well, CHO has had none. At least with Sancho, we have seen he can realize his potential if for just a season so far. But guess the risk was too much of letting him go with our current situation.
     
  6. Blueallthru

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    CHO was one or our outstanding performers I'll n the EL. He got experience last season, not as much as Sancho but he got some.

    My point is, who cares.
     
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  7. truefan420

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    The teams he played well against in the EL aren’t EPL level quality. Yes he flashed a lot of talent. The point is he hasn’t shown it at a higher level for a year. You may not care but that doesn’t mean it’s not a valid concern.
     
  8. Blueallthru

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    My point is that the difference between Sancho and CHO is less than 1 year. At this time last season Sancho was a relatively unheard of English prospect outside of England. He was playing for English youth sides in December of 2017.

    If the concern here is why would we pay CHO but we would be happy to spend £200k on Sancho, what's the ********ing difference? Honestly, what choice does the club have, let him leave?
     
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  9. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Jul 22, 2001
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    He had a few good games in the EL, that's not the same thing.
     
  10. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    Given Sancho's performance last year, this is a nonsense point. The reason Sancho is suddenly so in demand is because his last season was spectacular. At this point CHO's entire worth is purely on potential - Sancho's is already based on performance.
     
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  11. Blueallthru

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    I'm well aware, but his sample size isn't that much smaller than Sancho's. Sancho has one year of top flight football and teams are fawning over him. IMO they aren't that far apart.
     
  12. Yahtzee

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    CM has proven to be a massive concern for us. Without Kante, we make teams like Norwich look like ********ing Barcelona. 3 passes and they're through. It's A W F U L

    Kova/Jorginho pivot is a failed experiment as far as I'm concerned. We need a defensive midfielder. With RLC, Mount, etc. we're OK in attack.

    CHO I'm happy about. We had to tell Bayern Munich, arguably the most efficient team at pumping out (or stealing) young stars, to ******** off. People getting bent over him making that kind of money need to pump the brakes.
     
  13. Blueallthru

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    Oh I rate him, but that's how this works. Highly rated youth players either work or they don't. I know you know that, but FFS it's still an incredibly small sample size. Chances are he stays a world beater, but maybe he goes the route of Pulisic and fizzles a bit.

    We either want to be competitive and sign younger stars (potential or realized) or stick with our aging squad while 2 or more teams in England blow us out of the water.
     
  14. Yahtzee

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    At age 20, becoming a starter in the Premier League is fizzling.
     
  15. Blueallthru

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    I'm not knocking him here, just pointing out he hasn't progressed much since his introduction. Much of that falls on injuries though. We are lucky to have him and I think he'll be a success. It has to be noted though that he was surpassed by Jacob Bruun Larsen at Dortmund under Favre. He gets to prove he is better here and will have every opportunity to do so.
     
  16. StamfordBridgeLions

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    #2491 StamfordBridgeLions, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:33 AM
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    How about we take Sancho and give them Pulisic back with some cash?

    lmao

    Of course that was a joke. I could feel all the yanks suddenly go into spasms of rage. No, we should keep Pulisic, he has a lot of potential too. All our young players are still mostly potential. The only reason for buying Sancho is to stop a rival buying him and then Sancho turning out to be the new Sterling. Another winger is not our desperate area of need.

    We could potential be allowed to buy some players in January. Ben Chilwell is a player we have been linked with and the money discussed is extremely high. I like the player and he is amazingly fast. But the money mentioned in connection with Ben is outrageous. £70 million. wha?
     
  17. truefan420

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    I’m on board with paying him. And I understand your point. It’s still a lot of money and the injury, hazard leaving and ban didn’t help. And that 1 year makes a difference. He also showed he could do it for England. And by the time we can buy him it will be two years. Cho is still out and will likely take time to come back up to speed.
     
  18. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

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    He wasn’t tho. He was injured then wouldn’t sign a contract, then eventually was sold and loaned back. Farve understandably wanted to develop a player he felt would be there longer. If you watched games it was clear as day that Pulisic should be starting when healthy. But he had a lot of little injuries last year that stopped him from taking the role back completely.
     
  19. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Jul 22, 2001
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    This is just absolutely and totally wrong. Sancho played 34 games for Dortmund last season and 12 the year before. You stating that "they aren't that far apart" is the definition of wishful thinking.
     
  20. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Jul 22, 2001
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    Maybe if we stopped playing a badly implemented pressing system our midfield would look better. Also, we're OK in attack with RLC and Mount, given that RLC is really an advanced CM? Uh.....OK, sure. Based on 4 games of Mount.
     
  21. Blueallthru

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    Fine, you win. I'm not about to get into a ********ing pissing match with you. Everyone knows how that ends.
     
  22. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    Isn't the simple point, though, that we've got CHO... we haven't got Sancho. If the situation was reversed I'd be saying we should keep Sancho and forget about the other guy because he plays in a position we probably haven't got a requirement.

    Well... not as MUCH of a requirement, anyway.
     
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  23. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: It's not a pissing match, you're just completely wrong. For young players, a full season at top level is a significant sample size*, especially considering we're comparing Sancho to CHO, a player who has what, 4 league starts? If Sancho had a hot 5 game run, sure. It'd be similar. But it's clearly not.

    *Careers in football often last 10 years. A full season is 10% of that; think what that means for sample sizes.
     
  24. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

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    Sancho can play more centrally and both Pedro and Willian are about to age out, so we could certainly use him.
     
  25. Brock Hannsen

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    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
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    Was that the same time it was announced Pulisic was leaving? I think that may have more to do with playing the players you knew would be around next season. Larsen is not that good and Pulisic started playing more once Dortmunds form took a serious dip.
     
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