Review: Handball thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by Gilbertsson, Apr 21, 2012.

  1. Gilbertsson

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  2. babaorum

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    Aug 20, 2005
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    So, which team will prevent France from winning its ninth gold medal in an international competition in 10 years ? :D
     
  3. Gilbertsson

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    #103 Gilbertsson, Jan 19, 2016
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    Still no one. I doubt that things could change. Poland, Croatia, Norway, Iceland, Spain, Sweden, Germany, Denmark are mostly similar to each other, but they are far below France. The quality is reduced, that's why we have 8 similar teams.

    France still has the same names for a decade: Narcisse, Nyokas, Honrubia, Karabatic, Omeyer, Abalo, Sorhaindo, Guigou, Porte...eternal players in shape, quality, imagination, strength...others are younger, good replacements for sure.

    They also have Fabregas, Gerard...footballers.:D

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludovic_Fabregas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Gérard
     
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  4. babaorum

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    Poland - France : 31-25

    Great game from Poland. Karabatic and Narcisse were completely shut down.
     
  5. babaorum

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    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
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    How is Croatia these days ? I miss the times of Balic and co. Any chance they reach again that level soon ?
     
  6. Gilbertsson

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    Switzerland
    Croatia is doing weaker than before...there is no longer that powerful team 2003-2012,2013 year.
    Some new players are having their new highlights: Ivan Sliskovic, Ilija Brozovic, Igor Karacic, Luka Cindric.

    With some older and experienced players like: Domagoj Duvnjak (playmaker), Marko Kopljar, Jakov Gojun (defender), Manuel Strlek and Ivan Cupic (wingers)...

    Croatia won against Iceland, but I doubt that Croatia can enter among the last four. Defeat against Norway will cost Croatia a lot.

    French defeat doesn't mean too much. The system of point transferring is really silly (4, 2...)
    France will win against Belarus, Croatia and Norway.
    Croatia should win against Macedonia and Poland, not enough.

    It's hard to play the main role on every major competition, maybe Croatia will become more mature in Rio de Janeiro. Croatia doesn't have some special luck at EURO's.

    4th, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.:cool:

    History with France at EURO's is also bad: 2-1-5.

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  7. Dage

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    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well that ended ugly, didn't it?
     
  8. babaorum

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    #108 babaorum, Jan 28, 2016
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    Yes and to be honest I don't see it as particularly worrying given the amount of injured players and the poor form of Karabatic and Narcisse. Plus the other teams really have to win this EC to qualify to the Olympics whereas France is already qualified. I'm not saying that was likely to happen but that was something expectable.
    I see it as an excellent new in fact : assuming we have a full-strenght squad next summer I expect them to want to revenge and to take by storm the Olympics just like they did in 2012 after they failed miserably in the previous EC. I also expect them to win the next WC that will take place in France ;)
     
  9. Dage

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    Jun 4, 2008
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    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    There it is! The young German team humiliated the great Spanish team in the final.

    Congratulations to the best TEAM ;)
     
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  10. Gilbertsson

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    Handball at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handball_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics_–_Men's_tournament

    The men's tournament of Handball at the 2016 Summer Olympics at Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, began on 7 August and will last until 21 August 2016. Games are held at the Future Arena.

    Usually, we had these teams as main potential Olympic title holders: France, Denmark, Croatia, Germany, Poland, Sweden.

    At the moment, we have some surprises with Qatar and the host - Brazil.

    Croatia - Qatar 23-30 :eek:

    France - Tunisia 25-23 (small goal difference).

    Argentina - Croatia 26-27 (small goal difference).

    Denamrk - Croatia 24-27 (small surprise, if we remember Croatian defeat against Qatar).

    Sweden - Germany 29-32 (classical match, old handball traditions and strong German national league).

    Poland - Brazil 32-34 (surprise).

    Egypt - Sweden 26-25 (surprise, it seems that Egypt is returning, they were solid in the last decade).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Arena

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    Teams that could participate here: South Korea, Spain !, Norway.

    Potential winner? Medal holders?

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  11. babaorum

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    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Time for the 1/4 finals now :

    France vs Brazil
    Germany vs Qatar
    Slovania vs Denmark
    Croatia vs Poland

    Predictions ?

    I bet we'll have the following 1/2 finals :

    France vs Germany
    Croatia vs Denmark
     
  12. babaorum

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  13. Gilbertsson

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    #113 Gilbertsson, Aug 16, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2016
    I have also asked the same question before several years. The problem is that you really need to know the tactics. Outside of Europe, several teams try to enter among better ones in handball.

    African countries, residents are all strong, many of them are tall...but they are weak in handball. Egypt and Tunisia seem as better ones in Africa.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_national_handball_team

    Egyptians try since 90's. Still, they end very low.

    Similar thing is with water polo. Swimmers like Phelps, Lochte, Prenot, Cordes could do something and win water polo medal. But this is not easy as he would think.

    In basketball, we don't see UK countries, Netherlands, Sweden, Portugal, Ireland. If they can play well football, rugby, tennis...why not basketball.

    In handball, we always see the same 10,15 countries and only 5,6 are regular medal carriers.

    This article is really bad.:whistling: He just underestimated one very difficult and even dangerous sport.

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    Qatar took players from traditionally handball oriented countries: Spain, France...because they can't enter in these teams.

    Some countries are traditionally great in some sports...Croats also wanted to achieve great things in rugby, since they can run, they are strong and it's just another team sport like basketball, handball, football, water polo. But they can't win against Australia, N. Zealand, South Africa, England...in fact they couldn't meet them at all.:D

    Handball at Summer Olympics:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handball_at_the_Summer_Olympics

    Since 1936, we see: Germany, Yugoslavia (after Croatia), Soviet Union (after Russia), Poland, Sweden, Spain, France, Iceland...few teams are weak now: Romania, Hungary, Austria, Switzerland, Czech, Slovakia.

    The problem with development probably occurred with the fact, where handball wasn't held at Summer Olympics since 1948 - 1968. So countries placed this sport out of the focus.

    Olympics had few hosts which were obviously pushed: South Korea in Seoul 1988 and Brazil in Rio 2016. Before and after they have never won anything. Brazil is in Quarter finals.:rolleyes: Similar is with Brazilian water polo, basketball, they had protection.:thumbsdown:

    In sports like water polo, handball, this is often case to see, hosts are protected almost always.

    I try to represent handball on this thread...any assistance would be good, if you all place interesting articles, photos, videos.

    History of handball: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handball


    The rules:

    http://www.ihf.info/upload/Manual/IHF_STATUTS_CHAP_9A_GB.pdf


    My semi-finals prediction: Croatia, Denmark, France, Germany.
     
  14. Gilbertsson

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    Lets observe some previous results:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handball_at_the_1936_Summer_Olympics

    22-0, 29-1, 8-6...as you can see, handball progressed, became faster, no we see teams who score and receive more than 30 goals.

    Contemporary handball started in 1988 Summer Olympics I guess. France seems as the best team in history, if we observe their long duration, player quality.
     
  15. Gilbertsson

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    Switzerland
    Anthem of Croatian handball team:

     
  16. babaorum

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    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    About the Lebon James's issue, here's a interesting and funny to read analysis :

    http://teamhandballnews.com/wordpre...e-to-explain-how-crazy-that-notion-is-part-1/
     
  17. Gilbertsson

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    Basketball players could play water polo than, because they are all above 205 cm, they could walk on the pool bottom and protect their stamina and fatigue.:cool: In volleyball, basketball players don't need to jump at all, they could just put their hands up in the air.:rolleyes:

    Obviously, there is a reason, why are some sports played in several countries.
     
  18. Gilbertsson

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  19. Master O

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    Jul 7, 2006
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    As long as Team Handball remains an amateur sport in the US, it will suffer the same fate as other amateur sports here: Irrelevance.
     
  20. Gilbertsson

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    France - Germany - what a match...28-28, three seconds left and Daniel Narcisse jumped in the air and scored the opposite goal angle. Really exciting...Germany returned among top national teams.

    Croatia went home, again.:D Weak coach, some players are not that great. Obviously, Croatia doesn't have players like Ivano Balic, Blazenko Lackovic, Igor Vori...they must set pieces and collect 2,3 better players. Croatian goalkeepers are bad. Fith position in Rio de Janeiro.

    Some teams became much better: Poland, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Qatar, Slovenia.

    With Spain at home, France, Denmark, Croatia, handball will have bright future. But still, 10 teams sport.
     
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  21. Gilbertsson

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    Which sports have amateur characteristics beside handball? Water polo was also weak, but USA is strong today.
     
  22. babaorum

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    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Daniel "Air France" Narcisse saved our a$$ ! What a player he is...
    Denmark or Poland we're waiting for you :whistling::cool:

    The French girls will play the final too :thumbsup:
     
  23. Gilbertsson

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    Daniel Narcisse is eternal player. One reporter said: When Narcisse, Omeyer, Fernandez, Dinart retire, things could be different. Only Fernandez and Dinart have retired.:D Another gold for France I guess. Poland will burn out against Denmark and Denmark is in some crisis, Hansen has demanding role, a lot of things depend on him. This was not the case earlier.

    Some Croatian players retired earlier. Lack of motivation, training discipline...France is just hungry for titles.

    Handball at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's tournament

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handball_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics_–_Women's_tournament

    Netherlands is good in women's handball.:eek:

    Croatia seems very average in women's handball. Things were better in Yugoslavia team.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia_women's_national_handball_team

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavia_women's_national_handball_team

    Yugoslavia had titles in all three major tournaments: EURO, World Cup, Summer Olympics. So tradition exists, but with bad approach in contemporary era. Both Yugoslav teams have won Los Angeles in 1984.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handball_at_the_1984_Summer_Olympics


     
  24. Gilbertsson

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  25. babaorum

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    France
    #125 babaorum, Aug 19, 2016
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2016
    They're behind football players except Karabatic who is definitely a star here (I'd say only Griezman and Pogba could be considered biggest stars) . But they're ahead of basketball players (except Tony Parker who is a big star here too, like Karabatic) and definitely ahead of tennis players (who win nothing anyway). They're even ahead of rugby players, which says a lot of how handball raised its status recently because rugby is traditionally the second most popular team sport in France (but our rugby NT has been playing awfully since several years :sick:... That may be an explanation too)
     

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