GOP Failure Watch Part IV (the Majority in Congress edition)

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  1. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    Racist piece of shit Steve King continues to open his mouth.


    Iowa Rep. Steve King said Monday that blacks and Hispanics "will be fighting each other" before overtaking whites in the US population.

    King, a Republican, was on the radio responding to a question about Univision anchor Jorge Ramos' comment to Tucker Carlson on Fox News that whites would become a majority-minority demographic in America by 2044, a point Ramos used to make the argument that it is a multiracial country.
    "Jorge Ramos' stock in trade is identifying and trying to drive wedges between race," King told Iowa radio host Jan Mickelson on 1040 WHO. "Race and ethnicity, I should say to be more correct. When you start accentuating the differences, then you start ending up with people that are at each other's throats. And he's adding up Hispanics and blacks into what he predicts will be in greater number than whites in America. I will predict that Hispanics and the blacks will be fighting each other before that happens."


    He needs to be expelled.
     
  2. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
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    A lot of people have decided to say nothing, which is sad. If you expect political repercussions for calling this out, you should examine your own base.
     
  3. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    It is sad, though with it being on the CNN home page the story isn't quite dead yet.

    A couple Republican Congressmen, including Justin Amash, did call him out, but not nearly enough.
     
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  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Guess it's raciam fatigue over the last year. Cost us Auriaprottu. A dark time in recent American history.
     
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  5. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    The GOP is having a contest this week to find out which Congress-person can be the shittiest. Today's entry: John McCain!

    I note the senator from Kentucky leaving the floor without justification or any rationale for the action he has just taken. That is really remarkable, that a senator blocking a treaty that is supported by the overwhelming number, perhaps 98—at least—of his colleagues would come to the floor and object and walk away. And walk away! The only conclusion you can draw, when he walks away, is he has no argument to be made, he has no justification for his objection to having a small nation be part of NATO that is under assault from the Russians. So I repeat again: The senator from Kentucky is now working for Vladimir Putin.

    Rand Paul is the target of McCain's ire, because he objected to a unanimous consent request that would have made armed conflict more likely, and that is the goal of John McCain's existence.

    John McCain, resign now.
     
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  6. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Interesting question: do you suppose Kennedy will have McCain's not-completely-insane-but-still-loyal-to-daddy daughter on to debate this one? Megan is a frequent guest. Maybe she can reprise the Dave Smith/Mike Baker indignation match to make it more interesting.
     
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  7. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    I saw the beef's about Montenegro. What's Paul & McCain fighting over?
     
  8. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
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    New York Red Bulls
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    Allowing Montenegro to join NATO.
     
  9. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Allowing Montenegro to join NATO would make "armed conflict" more likely?
     
  10. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Maybe you haven't heard, but Serbia and Montenegro have long been Russia's no-go area vis-a-vis NATO.
     
  11. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    I hadn't. Serbia I can maybe see, but isn't Montenegro a little far afield to be seen as their sphere of influence, even by them?
     
  12. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Yeah and? This is what we do vs. Russia. Doesn't mean Rand's a buddy of Putin. But how the F is it a bad thing to expand our influence in the Balkans? :confused:
     
  13. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
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    New York Red Bulls
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    It's one more nation we'd be responsible for defending should something go wrong.
     
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  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    True. But what's that put us up to? 50, 75? We played world policeman for decades and that doesn't easily go away.
     
  15. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    I dunno-- they have a history of pretty impressive defense of themselves. We could probably get by selling arms to them for cheap...
     
  16. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    The question was should the U.S. support Montenegro joining NATO.

    If they join NATO, we are obligated to defend them should they come under attack. There is no gray area there.
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    The Baltic states, Albania and Bulgaria all became members of NATO in the last 15 years. I assume they all wanted to join.

    Not sure I get the beef. Do you want to dissolve NATO?
     
  18. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    The beef is between John McCain and Rand Paul, with the former accusing the latter of supporting Putin because he's deranged.
     
  19. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Montenegro used to be PART of Serbia. It borders Serbia. It has a similar population of pro-Russian citizens, which has always been Russia's and Serbia & Montenegro's (the post-Tito, post-Yugoslavia nation-state) argument against.
     
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  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    No I mean with NATO. Rand is for a more cautious FP approach. But isn't NATO & Europe since WWII a success story?
     
  21. Deep Wilcox

    Deep Wilcox BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 5, 2007
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  22. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
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    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
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    NATO is a different animal now than it was for most of the post-war years, largely due to the membership of former Soviet republics and Warsaw Pact members.

    I'm not saying that we should accede to Russian sensitivities by default, but I can understand why they would see the membership of yet another former Warsaw Pact member as provocative, especially when former Soviet republics directly on their border have joined NATO in the last 15 years.
     
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  23. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

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    It's a problem because Putin and his government are trying to get back to the 80's where they had a "sphere of influence" and the US had one. Russia may not have controlled the world, but they controlled a part and that gave them power in the world. The less "influence" they have, the less power they perceive themselves as having. Losing a lot of the countries that they previously influenced to western groups does not help with their perception of how the world is.

    The other problem is that even though the majority of the countries from the Soviet "sphere of influence" can be pro-west, but there is still a fraction that is "pro-russia." It's enough to disrupt the activities of a country.
     
  24. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Note that while the Russians are not and never were thrilled about Baltic accession, they know full well how disliked/hated they are there and that the annexation of the Baltics was recognized by very few when it happened in the '40s. Russia was also very weak at the time of Baltic accession.

    Serbia and Montenegro are significantly more Russo-centric and would be acceding at a time of greater Russian influence.
     
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  25. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    I know the history, but that was then, this is now.

    Serbia was also part of the Ottoman empire and Montenegro wasn't at one point-- does that make Serbia part of the Turkish sphere of influence? Aren't the Montenegrans historically more anti-Turkish than pro-Russian? is the proposal to induct Montengro into NATO against the wishes of its populace?

    Russia has historically sought an outlet on the Mediterranean by any means possible-- is there any reason to think their position here is not part of this same drive?

    I mean, for quite a while there Italy had a substantial pro-Russian populace-- was it verboten for Italy to join NATO too?
     
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