Gold Cup USA:CAN (R)

Ya the 2nd half sure got heated up. All the calls except for a few offside were great. I didn't get a good look at the call that would have tied the game, but when I saw it in real-time, I was thinking, "That's not right..".

I would lean to VC, he took out the player to prevent the counter attack, he wasn't playing the ball he was playing the man.

One last comment, holy crap I haven't seen that much complaining to the referees in a long time, at first I thought he should caution them for getting right in their face and yelling at them. Then after thinking about it a few seconds later, it would be a bad idea, he would have to end up throwing cautions all over the place and make a mess!

 

Last play, US-Canada (R)

Whoops! In stoppage time, US leading Canada 2-1, Canada scores what looks like a tying goal, but disallowed because the flag was up. But on the replay, it looks as if Onyewu for the U.S. clearly makes a deliberate play on the ball after a Canadian attacker sends it forward; Onyewu heads it, and sends it right to the Canadian attacker in the offside position. Canadians complained, to no avail.

I didn't get it on tape, so the only possibility I can figure (aside from just a glaring error by the AR), is that the flag went up before Onyewu played the ball, so his intervening header didn't matter. Of course, that means the AR put the flag up too soon.

Anyone get this on tape?

 

First I must say I am canadian..Second I thought the ref did a pretty good job...i think most can agree the trouble falls at the poor job by the AR in question over the offside call. I think that people should focus on the problems the tournament has rather than one call. In other words..time for Concacaf to start running the tournament properly...In other words...take the best officials rather than trying to take from as many nations as possible. For example the last world cup, the norwegian ref who wasn't selected but refereed in the champions league semi that year. Second, it is time to host the tournament throughout the confederation. If the US continues to host everytime, then people will continue to question every call thinking it is just a concacaf wish to see a us-mexico final everytime.

 

Actually since my friend refereed at this gold cup again..I can tell you that the jerseys for concacaf at this time are supplied by puma

 

IF the AR put his flag up AFTER the deflection, then I think the CR is to blame for the blown offside call. The CR is much closer and should have a much better view of the deflection than the AR. The AR sees a deflection with a Canadian player in an offside position and puts the flag up. The CR then needs to decide who made the deflection, and then rule accordingly.

IF the AR put his flag up anticipating a deflection, than the error is entirely his.

 

Re: Last play, US-Canada (R)

Posters I am merging the two similar threads.

I need to look at the play again to see if it was a deliberate play by Onyewu or if it was a deflection.

Too bad FSC has such a poor picture.

 

I'm quite certain he put someone's name in the book/sent off someone after the final whistle. At first I wasn't sure if it was a replay of the Bradley RC or not, but after a rewind, you can clearly see the 4th official right next to him as he replaces his book/RC in his back pocket.

 

Re: Last play, US-Canada (R)

I don't see how this is relevant. All the Canadian players were onside when the ball is played in by Canada, and then it is deflected by the American defender. The intention of the American is irrelevant to this play being on-side.

 

My thoughts on the ref, in chronological order:

1. Bocanegra should have been off for his tackle on De Guzman.
2. De Guzman should have been cautioned for his foul on Dempsey, as Bornstein had been cautioned for the same offense just a few minutes earlier.
3. Good call on the penalty.
3a. Why wasn't Onstad sent off? That was a textbook example of DOGSO.
4. Hume should have been of for VC just after he came on the pitch. He bodychecked Mastroeni to the ground when the ball wasn't even in play.
5. Hejduk's yellow was deserved. I thought it was for the initial foul, not the afters. A hard-ass could have given a first caution for the foul and a second for the afters.
6. Awful, awful decision on the controversial offside. The Canadian was even when the initial pass was played. That said, Johnson was wrongly called back about 20 minutes earlier when he would have been clean through.

 

Was that the tackle from behind where he had cleats up and hits his thigh to stop the counter-attack? If it was then he did get sent off, I don't remember anyone's name except DeGuzman

Beasley had no chance of regaining control of the ball again after his last touch before he got fouled. Thats just my opinion and the only reason I can think of why he was not sent off.

I saw that on the replays, I definitely agree with you on that one, I would hope no one saw it, because it definitely should have been dealt with.

 

I just saw a replay, and the linesman CLEARLY only flags for off-side after the defleciton off the American defender. I stand by my earlier comment that this was the CR, and not the AR mistake in blowing this play for offside. The linesman gave the CR information, and the CR didn't interpret it correctly.

EDIT: The Hume bodycheck. Hume stopped his run and the defender collided with him, their was no "bodycheck" thrown. Did Hume perhaps make sure that their was contact, sure, but there is no way that is a red-card offense, not even a yellow IMHO.

 

I believe he is talking about the tackle that flipped DeGuzman, a 2 footed, studs up with a leg lift after contact challenge for the ball. I thought it was a borderline yellow-red, and either decision would be easily justified.

 

Huh? IIRC there was no run involved, Mastroeni was walking to the ball and Hume came by and body checked him to the ground.

 

in soccer sometimes the breaks go your way and sometimes they don't. i don't like the US winning like this, i would have liked to go to OT and win without controversy.

 

Or the AR thought the Canadian player was offside on the initial pass and waited for involvement.

I paused the replay and it is VERY close. Probably should have been called even, but the pass was from some distance with dynamic play, and I think any AR would have had a tough time with this one.

 

Ya, he was walking looked like he was trying to make it somewhat hard for the Canadian players to restart play quickly, and the player who took the kick came flying in and just rammed into the American and he went down hard. Only one person was running, the Canadian player.

 

I clearly have a different incident in my head.

On the goal, Hutchinson isn't close to being offside (their is a Canadian player just on though).

 

I think it's possible that the AR thought Onyewu was a Canadian. If you look at the replay, you can see that there is a Canadian blocking the AR's view of Onyewu. In such a quick decision, you can see that he might have thought the header was a flick-on from an attacker rather than an attempted clearance from a defender.

 

The Bocanegra tackle was, IMO, worse than the Bradley tackle -- worse in the sense of 'endangers the safety of an opponent.' Bradley tackled from behind, but there was no malice in it and it was meant simply to bring down the Canadian player as a means of stopping the counterattack, not to leave a mark. The Boca tackle was much more aggressive and naughty, as CanadaFTW aptly described it. The 'leg lift after contact' part is very perceptive.

 

I agree with this, and its why the CR needs to treat this situation differantly from a "vanilla" offside. If the CR sees that ball deflect off the American defender, he needs to ignore that flag, wait for the sequence to end, and then go speak to his AR.

 

I thought both ARs were poor, with more than half a dozen onside players on both teams flagged as offside during the course of the game. I watched quite a few replays mumbling "no, he was on, and it wasn't close."

I thought the CR was only ok. The yellow on LD was understandable but a bit harsh. Hume, Onstad, and possibly Bocanegra should have been sent off. Several handling fouls were missed. OTOH, the red to Bradley was a good call. I thought DeRo could have gotten a red, more for the fact of retaliation than for the contact itself, which wasn't much.

 

of course karma might say that the offside call was whistled at 94:10 after 4 minutes of extra time were indicated. Not sure exactly where 4 minutes came from either but then they played 5.