Glimpse of the Future - Academy, U-18, U-21 & Loans News [R]

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Cevno, Jul 19, 2014.

  1. SyedZada

    SyedZada Member+

    May 14, 2008
    Santa Clara
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    None of them makes it anyway.
     
  2. Futbol_Head

    Futbol_Head Member+

    Manchester United
    Aug 18, 2007
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
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    Look at the raft of British players developed through our system and now playing in the top flight. Compare that to the foreigners.

    Before any of you delicate snowflakes get triggered there are always exceptions and we need to look at generalisations.
     
  4. Futbol_Head

    Futbol_Head Member+

    Manchester United
    Aug 18, 2007
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are saying that more of our British players tend to make it in the top flight, correct?

    If that is what you are inferring, it is a bit unfair considering our reserves and academy are far more populated with British talent than foreign born. The current crop of U23's has 5 foreign players out of the 14 listed.

    In recent history I know we've had a crew of Italians that never quite made the grade, and then the Brazilian trio of Rafael, Fabio, and Possebon (RIP). Before that sudden influx around 2008 or so, I seem to remember United having even less foreign talent in the reserves/academy. Although, my memory may be failing me these days.
     
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  5. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Riding off into the sunset
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whether it's right, fair, what have you, I don't think it's really all that surprising to be honest. While the Academy brings in top English talent, usually from around Greater Manchester, the foreigners that are brought in are usually top, top prospects.
    Therefore, I don't think it's really surprising if the foreign kids end up getting the most chances. But even then, the success rate of even the foreign kids has been very low at the club (just as it's been with the English kids).
    As it's been discussed many times, what I really hope to see in coming years is simply to see the ratio of kids making it to the first team from the Academy, increase. I totally get that not only the competition in the first team is just very tough and only a select few even may have what it takes to make it to begin with, but it would be nice to see more kids with a real shot to make it, whether they English or foreign.
     
  6. Professor Brainfart

    Dec 23, 2016
    Planet Reality
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The players can come from Outer Mongolia as long as they're the best available for me, but if i'm doing a u18 line-up, and having to type the names in manually i'd much prefer it if they were a Smith, or a Jones - no other reason
     
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  7. Professor Brainfart

    Dec 23, 2016
    Planet Reality
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    A Manchester United u17 team(a mixture of u18, u16, u15 and a French trialist) played Burnley last night at The Cliff, and won 7-0

    Scorers: Burkart 2, Trialist, Tanner, Bughail-Mellor, Dolan and Garner
     
  8. Naboomagnoli

    Naboomagnoli Member+

    May 31, 2007
    As well as the fact that most Utd youngsters are locals, British players don't have it in them to play abroad. So any British Utd academy players who make it can only possibly make it in the PL or in the Championship with a side that gets promoted. Once you have PL experience you're more likely to be picked up again by a PL manager who thinks PL experience will get them out of their slump. If they've had a handful of games for Utd, then they're made for life.

    The smaller number of Utd youngsters who are not British are not tethered to the English leagues. That's why they're scattered across Europe and South America.
     
  9. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1459 Ashur, Feb 17, 2017
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2017
    Pereira got himself a couple of goals today in Granada's comprehensive win vs Betis.
     
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  10. Professor Brainfart

    Dec 23, 2016
    Planet Reality
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    Manchester United FC
    #1460 Professor Brainfart, Feb 18, 2017
    Last edited: Feb 18, 2017
    18s - Blackburn Rovers v Manchester United

    Fojticek

    Tanner
    Dunne
    O'Connor
    Kenyon

    Whelan
    Hamilton

    Boonen
    Barlow
    Bohui

    Burkart

    Thompson, Spratt, Ercolani, Sang, Makela(back from youth loan @ Bury)

    0-2 up and cruising midway through the 2nd-half with goals from Barlow and Hamilton, United somehow managed to concede 3(three) goals in a few minutes to lose 3-2, with former red Lewis Thompson(lb) getting their first

    The 16s also lost by 2-1, Garner with the goal
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    Manchester United have stopped DJ Buffonge from playing at the CONCACAF under-20 Championship that started today as it doesn't fall within a FIFA date period.

    Petty methinks, obviously United feel he'll benefit more coming on as a late sub for the 23s tomorrow....
     
  11. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bad day for the U18s who blow that 2 goal lead and lose 3-2 in the end.
     
  12. Professor Brainfart

    Dec 23, 2016
    Planet Reality
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    (u23) - Manchester United v Reading - (12:00 ko)

    O’Hara

    Olosunde
    Scott
    Tuanzebe :(
    Mitchell

    Willock
    Kehinde

    Gribbin
    McTominay
    Harrop

    Redmond

    M. Johnstone, Warren, Whelan, Bohui, Buffonge.
     
  13. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    Lost again, time to get rid of Nicky Butt and get a proper coach in.
     
  14. incighte

    incighte Red Card

    May 1, 2016
    lol are you sure it isn't because we 'sold' cbj for '13 million' :ROFLMAO:
     
  15. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Tbf, the reserve set up has been in limbo. With all the turn over within the club over the last few years (1st team and u18) it's hard to expect much from the u23 set up.
     
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  16. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Injurires to some key players, especially in defense. No real strikers in this current group, plus all the talent that moved up to the senior team or out on loan, it always going to be a tough season for the U23s.
     
  17. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    Not too dissimilar to Warren's last few seasons.
     
  18. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    I could be wrong but Nicky Butt has moved from 2 different jobs in less than 2 years.
     
  19. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And this gig as U23 coach was always nothing more than a temp job for him until he finds someone else. He's made that very clear and is still the head of the Academy.
     
  20. cr7torossi

    cr7torossi Member+

    May 10, 2007
    Maybe. So you are agreeing that we need to get a proper coach in.
     
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  21. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1471 Ashur, Feb 19, 2017
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2017
    The U23 team are currently 8th in the table, having just won 2 games under Butt since he took over in November.
     
  22. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Yes.
     
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  23. Professor Brainfart

    Dec 23, 2016
    Planet Reality
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  24. Professor Brainfart

    Dec 23, 2016
    Planet Reality
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Premier League International Cup(u23) @ Leigh Sports Village

    Manchester United v FC Porto

    Henderson

    Warren
    Tuanzebe
    CBJ
    Mitchell

    Whelan
    Poole

    Gribbin
    McTominay
    Harrop

    Bohui

    Johnstone, O'Connor, Scott, Redmond, Willock, DJ Buffonge, Kehinde
     
  25. Professor Brainfart

    Dec 23, 2016
    Planet Reality
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Result

    Manchester United
    0-2 FC Porto

    Butt and Mourinho out !!
     
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