NSR: Give me your rested, your rich, privileged White Colombians yearning to post in soccer forums...

I am not dehumanizing anyone. I am saying that people live in a world that is evil and sometimes do sinful things. That is part of the human condition.

You brought up the Children in camps issue which is not what I brought up so don't put words into my mouth.

 

Once again you are bringing up things like Economic Stimulus packages not me.

I am calling a spade a spade and using a term that has been used for decades until leftist and progressive groups clamored for changes because it hurt people's feelings.

The truth does not care about feelings or emotions.

 

I am still trying to wrap my head around the whole tax cut issue and what it has to do with immigration.

Economists call tax cuts for business owners things that can help the economy. They have graphs and data (as most good economists do) to try and prove their point.
They are not trying to change definitions or trying to sneak things past people as words of weaponry.

 

My situtation might be different

My parents came because of the violence in the early 90s. They had their papers as well as my sisters but then my mom got preggers and they had to wait because immigrant didn’t want me to be a “anchor baby”.

My moms fathers family came from Italy because of the halocaust as they are Jewish. They tried to get into the Us and were turned away. He ended up in Colombia tho some of his family went to Argentina and Venezuela. Those who turned back to Europe more then likely died.

I get it’s annoying people skipping lines but if one line is having your family murdered or having a shit job for the rest of your life but your kids have a better shot think it’s an easy decision.

My main issue is people think immigrants are stealing jobs. I have an mba, CFa, and cpa. All well as I passed so many of those series exams. That shit isn’t easy. To take them you also have to prove you are a resident. So you can’t be illegal.

If you are Hispanic and white and illegals bother you then you probably can pass and usually do until it benefits you to say o yea I’m Hispanic. Some of us can’t do that.

So when I go into a store in a suit and they treat some dirty drunk white dude in rips clothes but still treat him better then me that is annoying.

The republicans don’t have an issue with immigrants as not all the illegals are Hispanics they have an issue with brown people. Go to Harvard or Yale everyone is Indian, middle eastern or Asian. Those are the American jobs people should want not picking fruit or landscaping.

 

Nope.

It is people on the left who are trying to police language and definitions and what should be appropriate. The Time magazine article you posted is evidence of that.
Proof is in the pudding.

 

There are legal ways to seek asylum and there are certain check points at the border that deal with these issues. There's also many people ready to help defend people in situations like this.
But there are people who do take advantage of the system or even do things that put their family in danger (in a reckless way).

Just ask people in the Border Patrol (many who are Hispanic themselves) how tough a situation it is to decipher what exactly is going on

 

Meh

I probably make the most money on this forum and I still say ******** the Republicans and their bullshit tax cuts.

 

Do you have any reasoning or statistics that help you come to this conclusion or are you just basing it on leftist/ socialist class warfare?
Which usually has no logic to it and is strictly emotional from what I have witnessed.

 

I'm speaking from experience. Wealth doesn't trickle down. An already wealthy man does not gain much by saving a few millions, so he might invest some of it and save most of it or place them in stock.

A middle class family or below saves a couple of thousand dollars and they buy stuff. Simply because they have no choice. Maybe we can finally buy that new car we need or maybe we can finally have money for a down payment.

100 million dollars spread among poor people will be spent guaranteed.

100 million on one guy who is already wealthy? He might invest.... but he might not and just keep padding his wealth.

 

There are plenty of business owners I have talked to that would disagree with your assessment. They have even been able to hire more people due to the new rules in place and afford more parts and other materials which is part of the economic boom we are seeing.

 

The economy was already growing before Trump... Economies go on cycles, he caught it in an upward trend.

Don't forget we had not 1 but 2 crisis during Bush' terms

 

YEs, there are many factors. But I said it was part of the upward economic growth not the main reason.
But specifically addressing the cuts as helping the Economy of these owners I have chatted with was what I specified as part of it.

 

There are hardly any sane economists who would say that modeling this economy around socialism would be better than what we are witnessing.

You only hear it from Bernie and Cortez whatever her name is.

 

No meaning to whom? You're basing your argument on a legal standby and I'm discussing ethics and humanity. I just told you ONE story. My story. I'm not expecting you to feel sorry in any way but I am expecting you to have some warmth in your blood and not be so cold and white about the issue. There are thousands of stories just like it and some much much worse. We think it's everyone else's fault but ours. We judge others without looking ourselves in the mirror. But frankly, you don't speak for the USA. This country is more than just laws. No the problem is not the border. You think the US is the only country that has ever tried to protect itself and/or have a need to protect it's citizens? We have two of the largest borders in the world, and in 2018, our priority and genius thinking says, build a wall? You don't think for one moment that with the advancement of technology, that this wall will eventually fail? That the bill to the taxpayer will just not compound and have adverse effects on other things that need funding? --If you own a home, you know that the contractor initially has you spending X but the check is X + Y and the time lapse is 2-3x what they figured. You dont think that spending the same billions and billions of dollars on building these walls can't be spent on better smarter security ,infrastructure, path to legalization, education, etc. And this conversation about prioritizing it's citizens first? Have you been to the ghettos of Baltimore, Brooklyn and South Bronx projects, St Louis and Chicago's south side. You think this is not systematic. You think that these poverty holes have ever been a priority for any government? You don't think many of that the laws put in place haven't been directed at sterilizing these communities. It's horrific that we've done so little in this country to help our own citizens. Not just the poor but the elderly, the handicap, the mentally sick, etc.

19 terrorists agents came to his country (technically legally)and it wasnt thru the Mexican border. Living in Manhattan at the time, with my wife working on Wall St, it's yet another example of having lived thru a horrible moment. Fortunately, she was unharmed but it was a terrible day in our history. The government DOES NOT prioritize it's citizenship unless WE the people demand it. Our government has made horrible horrible decisions in the past and present that have done little to prioritize it's people. Don't depend on the government to make your decisions.

Having Colombian heritage, you more than most should understand that the 'war on drugs' for example has stigmatized our country and labeled it for many as a drug state. While Colombia can't deny it's influence and failure to cope, our US government has never taking ownership that our thirst for these drugs are unquestionable and have never been resolved as a society. The problem just moved from one country as the caretaker (Colombia) to another (Mexico). But the market as strong as it has ever been. Meanwhile, much of the arms are still being fed from our side of the pond to other high conflict areas across the border.

Last but not least, I do expect more from our president. He's a billionaire stubborn selfish man who is always about taking care of #1. He can't even come close to relating to you or me. He's grown up around wealth and privilege. But he does wield the influence of POTUS and he does know how to pull strings and bring tremendous rift in order to cause enough chaos for us to stop looking at him and instead shift the insecurity inward. If he stuck to his business virtues alone, I could at least understand his platform but some of his rhetoric and actions go beyond insulting. My wife works for one of the most influential and richest families on the planet. Nothing moves left or right without their influence. Crazy stuff that would make you realize just how big we've let this become and goes back presidencies, not just current. These networks will win regardless of outcome. They hedge their bets in both directions while we just seek ways to drive each other further apart. You would think I'm pitching a Netflix movie. The only positive out of all this is that for the 1st time in a long time people are mobile and taking a stand for what they believe in. Some of what brought this reality star to the front office was our indifference as voters and the belief that nothing ever changes. Well, guess folks are learning that lesson is not true.

 

I stopped reading here my friend.

I already alluded to this that in order to focus on a moral problem you have to look at the bigger picture with more intellect rather than emotion.
There are Millions of people on this planet going through very horrible circumstances. These global citizens as you put it have problems and many of them have worse circumstances than your circumstances.
How do we determine who to save and how to save them without organizing ourselves first?
I think that there can be a way to help people but at the same time the focus of the Government is to protect its own citizens.
We can do both but it is not easy and our own citizens should be a priority over the other.
As I said in my basic illustration One always checks to see if they are healthy first and if their family is healthy first before trying to save other people.

In fact that is what you always hear when you are on a air plane. Make sure you are safe and make sure you have your air on your mouth before you try to save someone else.
If you don;t both of you can get injured or worse.
That is the way I simply see it.

 

Take a look at Kansas, take a look at which states economically are doing the best and what policies are in place, take a look at all the recent Republican presidents and how their tax policies have effected the economy. Any competent economist will tell you that trickle down economics is a farce. There is a point that lowering taxes for corporations and individuals that builds the economy but clearly a deficit that is growing at the rate it is and those interest payments are not healthy for the economy long term.

Of course business owners will say its good for them, who doesn't want to make more money? I wouldn't ask a prisoner how they feel about ending prisons if I wanted an objective outcome.

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...red-states-have-best-economic-outlook-in-2018

 

A couple of y’all bringing in legalities. Funny, cause slavery & segregation were legal in a not too distant past. Just because something is legal doesn’t make it morally correct.