German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. IV

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by MatthausSammer, Sep 4, 2017.

  1. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany


    looks like he's staying and signing extension. Seems like RB Leipzig were one of the interested parties. I mean how many GKs does RB want anyways?
     
  2. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -out of curiosity about Bayern's 05-Yildiz, looking him up, the kid over the last year from Jan 2018-present seems to have won countless Best player (Golden Ball) in various tournaments. Even recently in Dec 2018 and Jan 2019.

    although got no real impression of him, saw him play a bit with Bayern U15 during Summer 2018 during the ICC but that's it.

    -Union Berlin's U19 #1 01-Leo Oppermann is in the Winter Camp along with the already mentioned Maurice Opfermann
     
  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Lewis Holtby's bro joins the Dutch 2nd division for half a season. Another year could be added depending on how he does.

    96-Holtby.
     
  4. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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    http://bit.ly/Watzke-Youth

    Exactly my point @Ger90 , I’ve been saying this for so long . Something u ddidnt agree with but everyone elses see

    Before we blame clubs for using foreign players, our talents needa imorove
     
  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    eh, I've been saying since 2017 that if we don't improve that other countries will catch up. And all I see is clubs blaming the players when they are the ones training them to begin with. The blame still goes onto clubs and dfb anyways.

    not that I expect Dortmund to promote a ton of players anyways. Getting weaker doesn't mean players can't make 1st team either.
     
  6. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    But if the players aren’t talented n don’t like to take things seriously. What can the clubs do?

    I think the talents are responsible for this as well
     
  7. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Making the first team means what? They needa play regularly n start regularly or else they shouldn’t stay

    Making the first team or making a debut at 17 is irrelevant unless he has the chance to play regularly. Team structure plays a role, if everyone in the first team is quality player like Dortmund, it’s difficult for younger players to breakthrough n play regularly

    Football World is becoming more competitive. If u can’t show promise early, it’s a big problem

    I keep saying one thing “unless we can produce better players, we can’t blame teams for bringing in foreign players. They still have a job to do”
     
  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    it's their job as a teaching institution to influence these kids and help them. That kids don't take anything seriously means the coaching staff are busts.

    that kids don't listen one would think coaches have no power on kids to do what they want and force them to do things.

    let's not pretend all youth coaches are good too. I've seen plenty of criticism for some of these coaches as well.
     
  9. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I keep saying one thing “unless we can produce better players, we can’t blame teams for bringing in foreignplayers. They still have a job to do”

    Unless Talents can really focus on football , I don’t think many do n serious about their career, This won’t change.

    Look at Havertz , Jojo Eggestein , Arne Maier, Janni Serra... they still manage to show promise through hard work. I think every part is responsible
     
  10. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think self discipline n seriousness on their career is part of “talent”

    Look at Havertz n Arne Maier n co

    If the kids have attitude issue, don’t listen or obey, they might as well give up on them.

    I don’t think German coaches are worse than French n English coaches. My impression is that German players are less focus nowadays lacking the eager for most

    I think players don’t obey, teams have every right to give up on them. They can choose to listen or they don’t. They are supposed to be pro . If players choose not to obey, teams can give up on them. They aren’t their parents

    Kids have complicated backgrounds nowadays

    My point is making 1st team means shit, I don’t care if someone make pro debut at 17 ...
     
  11. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If kids don’t take things serious n don’t obey

    Doesn’t mean coaches are busts. Maybe the kids really have issue so they move on

    Give up on the bad ones n focus on the better ones

    After all, 1-2 players per age group can make pro team. That’s average for too 5 leagues and what Jojo Eggestein told me

    If u have 4-5 from same age group who make pro, it’s a golden generation
     
  12. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    For someone who has no talent or no discipline

    Its also count as lacking potential

    Sometimes, u can do nothing about it but to move on to better talents
     
  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    moving on is terrible and just a sign of someone who gives up, so yeah those coaches are busts. Some people need constant push, we are talking about young kids, not pros. Really? so your a coach and kid if doesn't obey, he gets punished until he does what you want.

    you think Pohlmann has issues and he's a talent yet according to you nothing has changed in his attitude. You don't think something's wrong there.

    speaking of 1st team debut at 17, who thinks 02-Egloff might be the 1st to make his pro debut from the 02?:p
     
  14. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Maybe he gets punished (who knows if he doesn’t) n still not improving

    Maybe it’s just a matter that the players lack talent

    I see ability n discipline both counted as talent

    Sometimes u don’t have time to focus on every kid. If you have adviced, punish n he still remains the same

    U better move on

    World is so cut-throat n competitive. There is no previlege for anyone
     
  15. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think Pohlmann’s issue is down to himself seriously

    Coach told him many times, I told him many times ... got adviced, got punished still the same shit

    So I think we just better give up on him. Just a crazy shit like a mini Balloetlli
     
  16. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    it's not about privilege and we aren't talking about pros. These are kids in a youth institution/Academy it's their job to help them get better.

    I will say that Pohlmann's attitude isn't shocking as he always had that face of someone arrogant. But naw , maybe I'll give up on him in 6+ years if he's playing 2BL/3rd Liga or something not while he's only 17.

    besides there are a ton of factors that play into players making it in 1BL. It's not just talent.

    On top of those factors, not every club is a great place to be at.
    Some clubs like Bayern still have no plan whatsoever (although they've been saying it'll get better for years, still waiting). Frankfurt, RB Leipzig are clubs that only care about players with min 2nd division experience.Both of these clubs are also users, giving pro contracts with no real intention of ever playing these players. Bayer only promote for real elite talents or big talents, next up really seems likely to be Scott/Gedikli, unless someone else surprises. Bayer U17 coach is impressed by 5 players the most this season, Gedikli, Scott, Schwieren, Funger, and Turkmen.

    A lot of other clubs like Bremen, Mainz, Augsburg, H96, Hoff are better as they prefer some II experience. Not going to bother with the rest otherwise it'll be long.

    but all clubs seem to have their own habits concerning youths promotion or none at all.....
     
  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    far more likely to give up on Pohlmann depending on his situation after 2023 U21 Euros (or 2024 Olympics since that tournament should be 01-onwards if Germany makes it). As 2023 U21 is pretty much it for 00-01 as youth players.
     
  18. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    speaking of youth tournaments, just realized that the 2019 U20 WC is 99 group which means the next one is 2021 U20 WC for 01 group......:eek:

    that's not something to be happy about. It reiterates the point I made in the Bundesliga and Europe thread. We need to call up some 02s up a level in order to improve that team. Doesn't seem like a good idea to rely on 01s to do everything themselves. Although I still wonder what would have happened had Eyibil went to the U17 Euros. He's seems to be much better and more productive than both Bozdogan and Lockl, as those were preferred and went instead of him.
     
  19. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    No I have been talking to Ole Pohlmann for quite sometime

    I don’t think he’s someone who listens to others no matter how to talk to him. He just doesn’t obey n like spending extra time with girlfriends n friends rather than hitting the gym n do extra work

    I bet coaches have done everything to persuade him

    There are always players like Balotelli or Ravel Morrison. Talented but for some reasons couldn’t make the next step

    I am in touch with many players n Pohlmann is one that I think should be responsible to this rather than coaches.

    Coaches like Yeboah so he has the chance, but Pohlmann was a better package. He has himself to blame
     
  20. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Won’t do much difference with Eyibil


    Still a weak team. Eyibil, Lockl, Bozdogan all have their different strengths and weaknesses.

    But overall, talent level is extremely low in this age group.

    I saw no talent in 99% of the players. Not talking about projection on their pro career, I just saw nothing in them other than OBM

    Tom Krauss is a DM , a static holding midfielder belongs to few years ago. Not enough tenacity (like many other DMs we have) not enough coverage n not enough physicality.

    Striker is main issue, and the two CBs we used were very error prone, like Ferjani n Bukusu were piss poor. Can’t believe this are the best CBs we have in any age group

    Football World is changing, tactics is changing and requirements for players can only be higher
     
  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    you think it's too late to change his attitude? He still has 1 year and a half in U19.

    as for Herrmann where do you predict he'll end up? At Wolfsburg II or will he get some 1st chances? TM has him signed until 2022 at Wolfsburg.
     
  22. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    there is Aidonis and Bongard and we recently called up guys like Kotchap, Gans.

    have to say cb is the one position with not a lot of noticeable players for 01. I think 01 seem to have promising looking GKs, then it seems to jump to fullbacks in terms of defensive players.

    if you call in some 02s it will patch things up. Next season 02s play U18 that is irrelevant year nothing but friendly games. Some 02s cbs and strikers and maybe one midfielder and team could look a lot better.
     
  23. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
  24. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think some players just lost focus n have some issue in their head

    I don’t like to keep advising them, maybe they will change but my experience tells me it’s unlikely

    He is like Ravel Morrison. Coaches can’t change someone’s mentality n habits. They aren’t psychiatrists

    If the players choose to ignore n ignore. Then coaches should move on

    U have an idea of “if players don’t pan out, it’s all coaches problem” sometimes the players are responsible too.
     
  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    so halfway through the season. What's the U21 pool?
    GK: Nubel, Schubert (eligible for 2021), F.Muller, Korber

    Defense: Henrichs, Klostermann, Mittelstadt, Horn, Koch, Stenzel, Baumgartl, Anton, Uduokhai, Tah, Kehrer, Torunarigha, Muhl

    Midfield/Wing: Neuhaus, Serdar, M.Eggestein, Maier (eligible for 2021), Dahoud, Amiri, Ochs, Hartel, Lowen, Oztunali, Richter, Rexhbeçaj, Fuchs,

    Strikers: Teuchert, Serra (eligible for 2021), Waldschmidt, J.Eggestein (eligible for 2021), Knoll

    Question Marks due to fitness/playing time (they've all had injury issues this season and not short ones either): Hubers, Seydel, Platte, Klunter, Sabiri.

    less likely to unlikely, all 2BL players.
    Preissinger, Rother, Ananou, Neumann, Gimber, Engin, Regasel, Owusu, Lucoqui, Seufert, Staude, Mehlem, lyoha, Reese, Kauper, Rapp, Fohrenbach, Multhaup, Skarke, Morschel,Dehm, Karazor, Neudecker, Bader, Hauptmann, Vasiliadis, Mees


    from the 1st list, the only 2BL outfield players are Horn, Hartel, Serra, Seydel, Platte. Only reason I add Hartel in main list is because he's been part of the U21 during the qualifiers and has played. I would not be surprised if Serra is only 2BL outfield player to make it. Horn, there are other LBs in 1BL. Hartel seems less likely with Amiri back into shape. Seydel who knows when he comes back and even then he'll be a sub at Kiel. Platte need to stay fit and perform in half a season, it's a shame that he's injury prone.
     

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