German NT - World Cup 2014 - Pre tournament and squad selection

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  1. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #1 BorisG, Apr 14, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2014
    Hi all,
    Just thought let's start new page until the WC so we can stop using the Euro 2012 and beyond thread .
    08.05.2014 preliminary 30 man squad selection
    13.05.2014 FSP: Deutschland - Polen also naming of 30 man squad to FIFA
    21.05.2014 Start des Trainingslagers Passeiertal/Südtirol
    01.06.2014 FSP: Deutschland - Kamerun
    02.06.2014 naming of 23 man squad
    06.06.2014BSP: Deutschland - Armenien
    07.06.2014 WM Abflug ins WM-Quartier
     
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  2. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Khedira back in training. Although he has almost missed the entire season so fitness is an issue. Guess Loew will find out if he is still serviceable or not in training camp;

    Klose, Oezil, Marcel Jansen, Sven Bender(or may not return) out till mid May;
    Howedes, Lasogga, Gomez, Schmelzer, Sidney Sam should be available in late April/early May
    Guendogan wont be back this season

    since many injuries involved are fullbacks n strikers, we are even more shorthanded at those positions as we first thought. Howedes was our backup RB, Aogo/Schmelzer/Marcell Jansen all injured.

    I think Loew has no choice but to bring in some new faces as backup Fullhacks n strikers.

    Durm, Grosskreutz, Beck n Sebastian Jung have been discussed. they are all rookies or very inexperienced, so i doubt Loew will start more than one of them in the starting lineup

    Not sure if Kiessling will be recalled. but Volland is an option, he has been playin at that positiong pretty well since Modeste was injured. We also need more physicality up top since Schweini, Kroos, Mueller, Reus, Oezil, Goetze are relatively small/thin. Players like Gomez, Lasogga, Volland n Kiessling not only provide better finishing n lethality but also more physicality/toughness up top.





    My 30 players should be:

    GK) Neuer, Weidenfeller, ter Stegen

    DF) Lahm, Grosskreutz, Durm, Howedes, Hummels, Ginter, Mertesacker, Jerome Boateng, Schmelzer, Andreas Beck

    MF) Mueller, Reus, Oezil, Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Khedira, Lars Bender, Schuerrle, Draxler, Podolski, Goetze, Sven Bender

    FW) Klose, Gomez, Lasogga, Volland, Kiessling


    Backup:

    GK) Adler, Zieler

    DF) Westermann, Marcell Jansen, Jantschke, Sebastian Jung

    MF) Sidney Sam, Andre Hahn, Nicolai Mueller, Neustedter, Can

    FW) Max Kruse, Timo Werner
     
  3. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany

    I agree mostly for the last 30 .. Maybe remove Beck and one of the Benders(wh wont be fit in time) and add in Hahn and Jung.
     
  4. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Beck and Jung are similar in my opinion. Jung may be a hotter prospect now but Beck is more consistent, can play at LB if needed and more experienced and i think that matters most

    We have enough AMs, unless Hahn can play as CF i dont think he has a chance.

    At RW Mueller, Schuerrle n Goetze can play there; at AM we have Oezil, Kroos, Goetze, Draxler; at LW, we have Reus, Podolski, Schuerrle, Draxler. Rotation is good enough, especially when Volland can play RW as well

    We are shorthanded at DM on the other hand, since Sven Bender n Guendogan may be out. Thats why i also considered Neustaedter for that Sven Bender's spot. A solid DM with size, something we need in the midfield
     
  5. Crisstti

    Crisstti Member+

    May 29, 2010
    Chile
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Damn, I didn't know there were so many injuries...
     
  6. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...lhanoglu-verkauf-aus---lasogga-saisonaus.html

    Lasogga's injury is more serious then expected. out till season ends but should be in time for the relegation playoff should HSV finish at 16th place.

    Lasogga was scheduled to be back on 26th April (only missed the Hannover n Wolsburg game)

    Lasogga has seen Dr.Mueller-Wohlfahrt for further treatment. but he isnt helping

    All these injuries on all our strikers and fullbacks look unusual before a World Cup. This rarely happened, smokescreen?

    OUT so far: Howedes, Badstuber, Marcell Jansen, Schmelzer, Aogo, Gundogan, Sven Bender, Khedira, Sam, Oezil, Lasogga, Klose, Mario Gomez

    Loooooooong list
     
  7. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Just watching the copa del rey Barca Vs Real Madrid .. Although Barca not doing so well lately but looked at the tactical line up and was thinking if this could be something for the NT.
    ----------------Neuer-------------------
    Lahm-----Merte-----Hummels--boa
    ----------------Schweinie--------------
    ----------khedira--------Kroos--------
    Müller---------oezil/Götze------reus

    So either Goetze or Oezil upfront..
    With this Khedira and kroos have to switch between attack and defence

    We can still have off the bench then as options Goetze, Schurrle, poldi (), Gomez , bender , grosskreutz. To change our tactics as the games develop. A simple 4-3-3??
     
  8. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Löw muss beim ersten Härtetest für die Weltmeisterschaft in Brasilien (12. Juni bis 13. Juli 2014) allein auf sieben Bayern-Spieler (Neuer, Lahm, Götze, Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Boateng und Müller) sowie fünf Dortmunder (Hummels, Reus Schmelzer, Großkreutz und Weidenfeller) verzichten. Dazu spielen die drei Arsenal-Profis Özil, Podolski und Mertesacker im FA-Cup-Endspiel gegen Hull City (17. Mai). Weil in Italien und Spanien die Saison noch bis zum 18. Mai läuft, kann Jogi auch nicht mit Klose, Gomez und Khedira planen.
    Basically says the first pre-tournament game against Poland he will miss 18 players ... HAHAH Thats ridiculous
     
  9. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Podolski scores twice again today, second consecutive game with a brace. Löw will select him anyways for his experience, but it'll be nice to have him get in good form in time for the WC.
     
  10. Neutral2

    Neutral2 Member

    Apr 30, 2006
    Germany
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    -------------------------Neuer-------------------
    Lahm-----Mertesacker-----Boateng--Großkreutz
    ---------Schweinsteiger----Khedira----------
    --------Müller---------Özil------Reus
    -------------------------Götze-----------------

    I think there is a good chance, that this will be our lineup.
     
  11. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    At least this WC will probably be his last.
     
  12. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Wenger said Podolski needs a "more physical" striker to play in front of him to create space

    If Podolski can't play CF, he isn't desperately needed.

    I think what seperate a false 9 n a traditional 9 is mainly mobility, physique n aerial ability.
     
  13. Coldblood6

    Coldblood6 Member

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Podolski has proven over 4 major tournaments that while he can be effective against ok to mediocre to poor opposition, he is completely ineffective in the latter stages of the tournament against the very good opponents. We shouldn't be fooled by the games for Arsenal where he scores braces against bottom half of the table opponents. Look at how often he makes significant impacts against top of the table opponents. He should not be in this squad.
     
  14. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Not only that, but with his distinctly subpar in-game intelligence, average technique, and his inability to engage in even the most basic combination play, Podolski is an anachronism in the modern NT. Whenever the others are combining, they usually cut Podolski out of most offensive plays entirely because they know they cannot rely on him to be anything other than exceptionally limited in possession. This effectively causes Podolski to play on an island and the offence now plays with 10 men rather than 11. Why he keeps getting callups while guys like Vollamd who could actually be useful are watching at home makes very little sense.
     
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  15. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    We need players in good form... After all these injuries. Podolski is one of them unfortunately

    Mario Gomez n Klose are doubtful, especially Klose. So I guess Podolski will be included as long as he can play better than Goetze (who really isn't a frontman) or Mueller at the CF spot

    Lasogga is always my first choice, but if all Lasogga/Gomez/Klose are injured, in bad form or missed majority of the season, we needa keep options open.
     
  16. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What we need are players that fit the team. Not only has Podolski never played striker outside of an SS role on a 4-4-2, he's mediocre at best on the wing and he's keeping players like Volland, who can ACTUALLY play striker and LW, and replicates this supposed versatility that Podolski brings, out of the NT. You have been fighting for Volland to get a chance for a while now; why aren't you against Podolski's inclusion then?
     
  17. Sifrit

    Sifrit Member

    Mar 15, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes, Volland actually played centre forward (in a 4-2-3-1) in Hoffenheim's last two games and did very well. Got a 2,5 Kicker rating for the win against Augsburg and scored the only goal in the loss to Werder (no Kicker rating yet). But it's not Podolski who's keeping Volland out of the team. That's Löw's fault. Hopefully he has noticed Volland's new position.

    It was stupid of Löw to ignore the striker issue for so long. How could he honestly expect a constantly injured 36-year-old Klose to play every three days at a world cup in the hot and humid climate of Brazil? That is just brain dead planning. Of course, he couldn't have expected Gomez to break down as well, but the way Löw keeps clinging to Klose seems more personally motivated than based on merit by now. The same is true for Podolski, though he is at least healthy.
     
  18. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It has always been typical of Löw to play his "pet" players until they get injured or until its so mind-numbingly obvious that other players are better that to play his pets would endanger his job security. This is the same dude that thought Podolski was the best option in EURO 2012 when Reus and Schürrle were breaking out.
     
  19. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    #19 Kirsten19, Apr 21, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2014
    Not trying to be an advocate, but lets be fair

    3 years ago(2011), Loew himself said striker was an issue as there werent good options in the league.

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/soccer/2010/11/04/loew-sees-striker-problem-in-germany


    There is nothing Loew can do if teams are playing with foreign players as their lone starting CFs.

    This season we are lucky to witness the emergence of young strikers like Lasogga, Volland, Ginczek and even Timo Werner in the starting lineup, but it didn't happen in the last few years. So Loew's options were down to Klose, Gomez, Cacau, Kiessling n Helmes.

    He did try the "false 9" experiment but as he n Bierhoff said they have always preferred a "dangerman" inside the box. And as traditional 9s are typically more physical, have better aerial game, more clinical finishers n more lethal in front of goal. I think those are some attributes the team have missed. Loew n Bierhoff did say striker is a "problem" for Germany

    Looking forward, we have some young prospects like Lasogga(physical+prolific scorer), Volland(allround forward with strong physique), Ginczek n Timo Werner (a poacher) who are starting to make impressions in the league as starting CFs.

    If younger prospects like Ducksch, Davie Selke, Scheidhauer, Luca Waldschmidt n Johannes Eggestein don't get their chances due to competitions within their clubs and always play behind proven star strikers, a move to 2BL isn't a bad idea. Volland n Ginczek proved their abilities in the 2BL then made a move to a mid-table 1BL club. That's a lot better than sitting on the bench and hope the starting CF (or 2nd option CF) got injured so chance come. Playing in 3BL isn't proving nothing, 2BL is a much better stepping stone

    In conclusion. The striker problem has nothing to do with Loew's reluctance to bring in new strikers in the last few years. More to do with the lack of options. In the last few years, only Petersen n Max Kruse started at the CF spots in 1BL for younger German strikers before the emergence of Lasogga n co.

    Lasogga was also included by Loew once he has established a starting spot and played well. Loew is more desperate than u n I think


    @Coldblood6 @"Eisenfuß" Eilts
    @timh19 @footyfan1 @Leinad @smithfan @Icke may all have some insights to share
     
  20. Coldblood6

    Coldblood6 Member

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    I will NEVER forgive him for that!
     
  21. Coldblood6

    Coldblood6 Member

    Jul 7, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    NO! Podolski is NOT in good form. He's doing his typical shtick of hitting in multiple goals against weak opponents (and at times when it really doesn't matter wrt trophies) in order to fool onlookers. Do NOT be fooled. The talent of level of the German NT has far surpassed Podolski. He does not belong in this squad.
     
  22. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Me neither... he just had to start Reus over Podolski, keep Muller in instead of bringing in Kroos to mark Pirlo, and should have fielded Klose (like the two previous games) instead of Gomez. Big flops where Gomez and Poldi who he did then substitute on half time. Anyway for me that was also the greatest mistake Loew has done since he has taken over!!!!!!!! Urghhhhh anyway gott let go of that I guess.
     
  23. Sifrit

    Sifrit Member

    Mar 15, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Löw could have just called up Kießling. He's not world class but last season he was the top goal scorer of the Bundesliga after all. Kießling can play the same role for the national team which Mandzukic plays for Bayern. Both players are fairly similar. Mandzukic just plays for the better team. Löw claiming that Kießling doesn't fit the national team is just a pretence because he has some personal issues with him. He's willing to try out Kruse and Lasogga but Kießling is not good enough? And he knows this even though he has not called him up since 2010?

    Hopefully Löw will be gone after the world cup. I'm certain that if the national team coach was Klopp or Heynckes they would have called up Kießling a long time ago considering Germany's striker situation. It's time for the nominations to be based on merit again and not just Löw's personal favourites like Klose who is simply too old and Podolski who hasn't played well for the national team for years now.
     
  24. Dage

    Dage Member+

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Kießling doesn't belong to the team, he's just an average Bundesliga striker.

    In 2012 Löw did the mistake to break the team's rhythm with the Greek match. in a tourney like this you don't "rest" your players and break their rhythm. That's just nonsens.
     
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  25. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    #25 Kirsten19, Apr 22, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2014
    I think Kruse isn't lethal enough either, average striker talent. Maybe better as an AM, but his off-the-ball movement n positioning inside the box is poor, especially timing in receiving crosses

    Kiessling deserves a spot since we lack options. But he was silly to make so many public criticism of Loew

    We kinda need a towering target man up top. We lack physicality, toughness, lethality n some killer instinct inside the penalty box.

    I think a healthy Lasogga is desperately needed in this WC roster or even the roster post WC. Even Werner (a pure poacher) doesn't bring enough physicality up top, more of a Michael Owen type
     

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