Review: German National Team News & Discussion Thread - WC 2014 & Beyond

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Kirsten19, Jul 13, 2014.

  1. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Do u think Andre Hahn's style can benefit this National Team?

    He is physical, fast, high work ethics, good at heading n finishing.

    I think he can provide something that the team currently lack
     
  2. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    For fun...

     
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  3. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  4. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Sure...if Mueller / Kruse / Reus / Volland / Brandt / Draxler / Stindl / Schurrle / Werner / Sane didn't exist.

    Hahn's just no where near NT caliber; his size & athleticism are, but his skill & finishing simply are not. BMG are my team in the first division, so I like him, but I'd be pissed if Jogi picked him without a good half dozen injuries to players we should take instead.

    All Hahn could give the NT is a poor targetman and a lot of lost possession.
     
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  5. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    #2105 Kirsten19, May 3, 2016
    Last edited: May 3, 2016

    Have you seen Timo Werner play? He isnt doing anything at all.

    I dont think Kruse n Schurrle bring elements that we lack, and both are in poor form. Especially Kruse, he is just another attacking midfielder playing up top but not performing

    Hahn's finishing is poor? Thats something new

    We need a physical presence inside the penalty box, as an alternative plan. U dont always need 23 equally skilled players inside the box sometimes, u need some varieties. Thats why Mario Gomez is there

    Sometimes the team may want to play more direct. Thats why u need Mario Gomez or Hahn inside the box and provide something different.

    There is a good chance Mario Gomez will start for us. but who can come off the bench? I dont think Hahn is a bad option
     
  6. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    You are stuck in the football of a bygone-age.
     
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  7. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Do Podolski and Schuerrle deserve their places in the NT?
     
  8. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Podolski hasn't deserved his place in the NT for God knows how long. Schuerrle, its a debate. He's pretty poor for Wolfsburg, but he's a proven commodity on the NT as a very good change-of-pace substitute. With that being said, if he brings his weak Wolfsburg form to the NT, I'd be tempted to hook him relatively quickly. There's too much talent waiting on the bleachers to have sentimental passengers.
     
  9. Alex C

    Alex C Member

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Like Leicester? Or Atleti?

    There is more then one way of being successful, it's not all about tiki taka possession bullshit. It's about scoring more then the opponent, always will be. Doesn't matter how skilfully constructed a goal is, they all count the same.
     
  10. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    Podolski's time with the NT should have ended years ago, overrated from day 1.
     
  11. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Atletico? The same Atletico that plays with two mobile, skill-oriented forwards in Torres and Griezmann, and where the more static and powerful and big forward Jackson Martinez got sold to China? Or perhaps Leicester, where James Vardy leads the line? The world is moving away from big and powerful old-school 9s. Aside from Lewandowski and old-as-dirt Ibrahimovic, is there anyone else who even starts for a CL contender? Kane?
     
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  12. Alex C

    Alex C Member

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I was talking more about how everyone thought possession based football was the modern, only and best way to go, which is something Atletico or Leicester have disproved with their physical counter attacking style.

    Both are very strong defensively and concentrate properly on organising themselves for set pieces, both attacking and defensive. This is an area neglected by a lot of the more "skillfull" sides.

    There is no best way of playing, so using a physical no. 9 who scores goals should never be out of date, providing you do it well. All goals count the same, they don't need to be created with 100 passes first. Being able to play with variety is also very important. A plan B can be as valuable as plan A.
     
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  13. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    we really need sirman back in here to tell us more about how we dont need real striker and how pep style of play is the future for football and how possession wins you tittles .
     
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  14. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Regarding Atletico, is that the best use of Germany's current personnel though? Or is it attacking possession football?

    But the reality is we don't have a great physical 9 who scores goals, aside from Gomez in the Turkish league. Should we really force him into the lineup just cuz when the rest of the world primarily uses smaller and more mobile forwards with fewer physical and big 9s?
     
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  15. Sir Niney

    Sir Niney Member+

    Apr 12, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Dzeko starts a fair bit for Roma, as do Mandzukic at Juve, Giroud at Arsenal, and Janko at Basel. Higuain is a big guy as well. Agree with your general point, though.
     
  16. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It worked for Germany in 2014 and Spain in 2012, 2010, 2008.
     
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  17. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    That's really the key. Using your personnel to their strengths. Germany has a lot of skillful attacking players. Our defense will be under less pressure by playing high up the pitch and keeping the ball. We don't have the players to play like Atletico.
     
  18. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    germany won because of possessions?
     
  19. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    How would you characterize Germany 2014 if not possession-oriented?
     
  20. Lahmfan

    Lahmfan Member+

    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    kicking ass left and right by using a quality striker?
     
  21. icebreaker

    icebreaker Member+

    Mar 22, 2011
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Well, unfortunately Miro is 37 years old and we don't really have a similar player to replace him with.

    In other news Can is starting for Liverpool.
     
  22. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Im willing to give Gomez a 2nd chance - at least in a lineup option with a real 9 hes the man.

    Can is bossing the midfield vs Villareal
     
  23. icebreaker

    icebreaker Member+

    Mar 22, 2011
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Honestly I'd rather have him as a midfielder at the Olympics than as rb at the Euros.
     
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  24. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I agree, but with Jogi at helm that is unfortunately not what is going to happen
     
  25. Minttunator

    Minttunator Member

    Oct 4, 2010
    Estonia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    On that note, whatever happened to that guy?
     

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