German National Team News & Discussion Thread - EURO 2012 & Beyond [R] II

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
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    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    #5101 The Jitty Slitter, May 15, 2014
    I've always understood it to be broader than tackling

    More "1 on 1 situation" or perhaps "competitive duels" in the more American style.

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  2. Dage

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    Jun 4, 2008
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    #5102 Dage, May 15, 2014
    How strange that there isn't a proper word for one of the most central terms of football in English ?!
     
  3. The Jitty Slitter

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    Belgium
    #5103 The Jitty Slitter, May 15, 2014
    Last edited: May 15, 2014
    It's often the case that these compound phrases can't be directly translated at least as far as useage goes.

    In english there is the phrase "challenge" which is wider than tackle and probably the best translation in terms of useage.

    When hearing Zweikampf on german TV I have taken it to refer to all the individual physical battles between two players - not just tackles. Is that correct in your view?

    e.g. challenging for a header is a Zweikampf?

    The nascent analytics community refers to duels which is probably the most literal translation - but that is not a common word in English Sports until recently.

    https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#de/en/Zweikampf
     
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  4. Dage

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    #5104 Dage, May 15, 2014
    You're right ;) I would describe it with all actions to win the ball (no interceptions) or at least to deny it for your opponent.

    duel may be the best translation but in reality it's also 2v1 or even 3v1. Well in this case the German word isn't that accurate though.
     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    #5105 The Jitty Slitter, May 15, 2014
    German is sometimes a more efficient language and this is a good example :)
     
  6. Dage

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    #5106 Dage, May 15, 2014
  7. heynckes' hanging leftnut

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    #5107 heynckes' hanging leftnut, May 15, 2014
    I'd say "physical confrontations for the ball".
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    Belgium
    #5108 The Jitty Slitter, May 16, 2014
    Wow - thank god Lasogga was not selected

    Talk about regressive football
     
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  9. MatthausSammer

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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    #5109 MatthausSammer, May 16, 2014
    Overall Team Performance doesn't equal Individual Performance. Care to elaborate?
     
  10. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
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    #5110 SirManchester, May 16, 2014
    He was sloppy for Hamburg.

    He has fight. I like that about him. He comes back and tries to win the ball but he is sloppy. A matter of heart over ability. He isn't as good holding the ball up because he doesn't have great technique. He lost the ball on several occasions, gave it away a couple of times.

    I still think he can thrive in the league in a better team and could get called up. But he isn't a high IQ player.
     
  11. Kirsten19

    Kirsten19 Member

    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
    Club:
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    #5111 Kirsten19, May 16, 2014
    More to do with the injury caught him out for 2 months and he's only back few days ago. Clearly still finding his match fitness

    Usually, he is a good mobile striker despite his size, can do some build-up game and is statistically the most efficient and clinical scorer in Bundesliga this season.

    Interested in Azemi though. Kid came to Germany at the age of 3, can be an interesting option for the future, along with Lasogga and Werner(in last few months looked like he is used more at his natural position at CF, a real predator n poacher inside the box). We need this clinical type to provide diversification and alternative.
     
  12. The Jitty Slitter

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    #5112 The Jitty Slitter, May 16, 2014
    It shows that the problem is not lack of 9s but that elite goal scoring forwards are extremely rare beasts.

    Hence why elite 9 or hybrid forwards now trade for £60-100m

    Its not just a german issue.

    Since Torres' injury Spain lack an elite 9. France lack an elite 9. Portugal since forever. Italy as well.

    Look at England. Produced Rooney in 2003 and Sturridge is maybe breaking out in 2014 - 11 years between drinks.

    There is a lot of above average players like Benzema & Giroud but are they really much better than Gomez?
     
  13. SirManchester

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    #5113 SirManchester, May 16, 2014
    Agree about Azemi. He impressed.
     
  14. SirManchester

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    #5114 SirManchester, May 16, 2014
    Definitely truth to this.
     
  15. Kirsten19

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    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
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    #5115 Kirsten19, May 17, 2014
    ---------------Neuer
    -Lahm-Merte--Boateng-Grosskreutz
    -------Hummels--Schweini
    -Mueller-----Oezil-------Reus
    --------------Volland
     
  16. SirManchester

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    #5116 SirManchester, May 17, 2014
    Hummels should not play in midfield. Hummels should definitely NOT play in a double pivot.
     
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  17. Sifrit

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    Mar 15, 2014
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    #5117 Sifrit, May 17, 2014
    Hummels himself says that he can't play in midfield anymore because he has built up his body specifically for central defence. He carries too much weight for the constant running in midfield.
     
  18. SirManchester

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    Apr 14, 2004
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    #5118 SirManchester, May 17, 2014
    Agreed. A reason Lahm is played as holder. Nowadays you don't need size and physicality to play in heart of midfield. The opposite almost.
     
  19. Kirsten19

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    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
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    #5119 Kirsten19, May 17, 2014
    Looks like Lahm is injured
     
  20. MatthausSammer

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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    #5120 MatthausSammer, May 17, 2014
    SERIOUS?! Anyone else that can confirm this?
     
  21. Kirsten19

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    Apr 1, 2008
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    #5121 Kirsten19, May 17, 2014
    Subbed out, limping
     
  22. Lahmfan

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    Jun 3, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
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    Germany
    #5122 Lahmfan, May 17, 2014
    yep he is injured and out of the field . not even on the bench anymore
     
  23. MatthausSammer

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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
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    #5123 MatthausSammer, May 17, 2014
    Well, we're screwed.
     
  24. Kirsten19

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    Apr 1, 2008
    Newport Beach, CA
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    Borussia Dortmund
    #5124 Kirsten19, May 17, 2014
    If Schweini, Lahm and Mario Gomez are injured; Khedira, Klose, Lars Bender, Durm, Schmelzer, Oezil are all unfit or not in top condition; Lasogga omitted...

    I don't think we can get pass group stage
     
  25. MatthausSammer

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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    #5125 MatthausSammer, May 17, 2014
    It'll be a slog, for sure.
     
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