German Dual/Triple Nationals.

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Ger90, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    Germany
    Avdijaj with 2 goals and 2 assist in a 5-0 win in Dutch Cup.

    taking his season tally to
    7 goals and 4 assists in 12 games

    for struggling Willem II.
     
  2. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    FC Bayern München
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    Germany


    last played for Germany U18. Now called up to Cameroon U23, he could still refuse the call up or not.

    I still put Evina on the list of players that are still raw ones.
     
  3. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    FC Bayern München
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    Germany
    just realized that FC Nurnberg U17 captain and main striker 02-Erik Shuranov was provisionally cap tied to Ukraine in the U17 Euro qualifiers between Oct 10-16.

    for FCN u17 he's at 8 goals in 9 games.
    for Ukraine U17 he's at 4 goals in 3 games.

    seems like he was born in Bamberg in Germany too.
     
  4. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #29 Karl-Heinz Riedle, Nov 1, 2018
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    Think he is always playing for Ukrainian youth

    2002 is a bit tricky for dual national strikers. Ware Pakia, Nick Woltemade and Kerim Adeyemi should be the automatic choices. Jan Thielmann and Dennis Borkowski can also play at striker.

    Then they had Sven Kronemayer and Maurice Kramny invited to the team or to the training camp. David Hummel is always talented but still finding rthym after his two serious injuries

    For Ukraine, Shuranov doesn’t have such competition and is automatic option.

    2002 is a good year for strikers.

    Since 2001 is so weak at strikers (they might have to use Dajaku, Grimm and Lenn Jastremski who aren’t very good) , maybe Frank Kramer should promote Ware Pakia and Nick Woltemade to the 2001 group

    Then we can bring in more new 2002 strikers for the main tournaments, let’s say Kramny, Luis Hartwig and Shuranov can be options for example.
     
  5. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    Germany
    #30 Ger90, Nov 1, 2018
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    yeah 01 is a weak age group for strikers. Dajaku is still basically a false 9 though. Makanda is still an option or even Cakar. At this rate using an 02 might be something to consider. And the 00 still dominate most U19 teams when it comes to strikers which doesn't help them.

    whatever happened to Malik Memisevic? I know he's provisionally cap tied to Bosnia but he's played 0 games this season. Injured?

    speaking of dual 02 strikers,
    -Harnafi of Gladbach seems to be involved with Morocco U17, but not cap tied.
    -Krasniqi of Schalke seems to be involved with Kosovo U17 but not cap tied
    -Asllani of Union Berlin was involved in both Albania and Kosovo although for Nov 2018 he's part of a German U17 camp.
    -Tekin of Hertha Berlin who flip flops between Germany and Turkey all the time. For Nov is on the German U17 "on call list".
     
  6. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Malik Memisevic is a pure poacher, I think he’s more prolific but other strikers in Werder Bremen U19 offer more as a “pivot”, strikers’ scoring record is no longer important... they need to diverse scoring threats and involve in build up play.

    I don’t think any of the mentioned 02 strikers are ahead of Ware Pakia, Kerim Adeyemi and Nick Woltemade for now. These three give us different game plans: Ware Pakia is an all-round striker, Adeyemi offers pace and take-ons, Woltemade is obviously an aerial threat with his crazy height.

    Maurice Kramny is someone I think is interesting and is a direct replacement of Ware Pakia... then Thielmann, Hummel and Borkowski are versatile forward who can play everywhere up front. It’s a bit tricky when u have so many good striker talents to select

    (And I like Dennis Borkowski)

    I don’t see Tekin having a career at striker at pro level. That’s something DFB never learn, they wanna produce small false 9s or poachers, but 1BL always prefer targetman (prolific or not).

    Tekin is 166cm, u don’t see striker in a 4231 formation being so short at pro level these days
     
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  7. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    Germany
    but the fact that Memisevic has played 0 minutes is still questionable if he's fit or not. It does show the poor state of 01 strikers all over the place.

    as for the 4 I mentioned, not saying they are better just mentioning 4 02 dual strikers and where they currently stand in NT. But do agree that Woltemade, Pakia and Adeyemi seem to be 1st choice even in selections with Thielmann usually following them.

    Tekin yeah that's what I find interesting though. He's overachieving in U17 but is very very short guy? What does the future hold for him? I also doubt he'll make it as a striker in pro level. Although you do get strikers in the 170s range.Federico Palacios is 170, Avdijaj is 172 cm etc. So who knows about the odds. Also both Avdijaj or Palacios are having decent to good seasons.

    1BL is pretty much targetman or allrounders. Although nothing says a player needs to be a starter to make it in 1BL, plenty of players are nothing but sub options, not good enough for starters.Or they end up being career 2BL or lower level players.
     
  8. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    Germany
    Grifo who wants to play for Italy, scored a PK and provided 2 assists in Hoff's 4-1 win vs Bayer.
     
  9. Epitome990

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    Jun 27, 2013
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  11. Epitome990

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    Jun 27, 2013
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    Not a fan of Calhanoglu anyways, I wouldn't want him on my team. He's kind of a one trick pony, being a set piece free kick specialist. Slow as a winger and soft as a midfielder. Not the most useful of players.
     
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  12. Epitome990

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    Jun 27, 2013
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    Couple of Volga Germans, Roman Neustädter and Konstantin Rausch are among the Russia NT nominations for upcoming matches vs Germany and Sweden
     
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  13. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    Germany
    so weird last week, the Philippines NT team appointed Sven-Goran Eriksson as their new head coach.

    anyways 96-John-Patrick Strauss (German father and Filipino mother) has been called up to the NT and will miss some Aue games in 2BL. Could be basically gone for the rest of the 1st half too.
    http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/...on-holt-strauss-nach-manila.html#omsmtwkicker

    non youth but another German-Filipino is 95-Gerrit Holtmann (although he rejected them, believe it was due to long travel) and even youth players there are more and more of them. I think I saw something like 6-7+ in various age groups/years.
     
  14. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Some German-Turks have been called up to the Turkey U19 for the U19 Euro Qualifiers.
    These games will be played between Nov 14-20, Turkey is in the same group as England, Iceland, and Moldova and top 2 teams make the Elite Round.

    Players called in.
    -Umut Gunes from Stuttgart U19/II, already provisionally cap tied to Turkey back in Turkey U17.
    -Okan Yilmaz from Bochum U19, who played in Germany U15-U17 before jumping to Turkey U18-U19. Not Capped yet.
    -Omer Uzun from Bochum U19 as well, Germany has never bothered with him. His 1st ever call up was Turkey U19 in October 2018, where he scored 2 goals in 2 games, scoring in both games. Seems like Shuranov, as in a player who's doing really well in the league and who's helping the country he choose to play for.
    -Emre Aydinel from Dortmund U19, who's currently the U19 West top scorer and who played with Germany U15-U17 before going to Turkey NT for U18-U19. Not capped yet.

    Basically, Yilmaz, Uzun and Aydinel will be provisionally capped tied next week. If they ever go back to Germany, need to apply for a one time switch.

    I believe there is something like 10 players or more excluding these 4 that are 00s who are either capped by Turkey or last involved with them. What almost 20 players just from 1 age group?

    Believe during the Summer, one guy involved or was involved in Turkey FA that said that Turkey would be screwed if they couldn't poach German-Turks, lol. Well at least, it helps them out.;)
     
  15. Epitome990

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  16. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    #41 Ger90, Nov 7, 2018
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    well that's what happens when we have Low obsessed with Trapp/Leno over everyone else.

    thing I noticed about most duals who get provisionally cap tied, is that they usually wait something like 1-2 years after being no longer youth NT eligible and if they don't get called up to the seniors they switch. Vlachodimos last played for Germany U21 in 2017, now 2018 he's switching. Basically 24-26 years old is their limit to wait.

    in the end, I think with the growing number of duals the further one gets the more Low is the wrong coach for Germany. Guy barely gives chances to new players. Sticks to the same core of players non stop even when they don't deserve it.

    I'm actually wondering about any promising dual striker. If you are born in even year, then by the time your done with the U21 your 23 years old and if born in odd year your 22 years old. Germany usually only calls up older strikers towards the end of 20s unless they overperform when younger. How long will these players even wait for a Germany senior call up and at the same time they will be enticed to join another NT. Maybe the player's performance as a early/mid 20s doesn't necessitate a Germany call up but is more than enough for other federation.Then by the time they perform well and they are towards late 20s,it's already too late.
     
  17. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    German-Benin 92-Cebio Soukou has been called up to the Benin NT for the 1st time.
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46123935

    plays in Hansa Rostock in 3rd Liga.
    in all competition this season he's at
    6 goals and 2 assists in 12 games. Including him scoring and assisting in the dfb cup vs Stuttgart as they eliminated them 2-0.

    is an ex Bochum youth/academy product where he won the U19 West top scorer back in 2010/2011 season.
     
  18. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    German-Duals (non youth) who have left the program just this Fall 2018.
    Left: Orban and Vlachodimos
    Threatened to leave in a few years: Akpoguma (he's likely giving Germany until the WC cycle starts and if nothing then, he'll go help Nigeria qualify)
     
  19. Epitome990

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    Jun 27, 2013
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    Austria
    If Germany keep Torunarigha and Uduokhai then I'm fine with Akpoguma leaving. I don't necessarily consider him international quality
     
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  20. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    #45 Ger90, Nov 7, 2018
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    I do agree on those 2 and that Akpoguma isn't a necessity. Actually players like them is even more reason why Germany making the Olympics could be a good thing. As it will keep them in the German program until 2020. Otherwise post 2019 U21, it's seniors or nothing. It at least buys time. I think the real issue is Uduokhai, he has the potential but isn't playing and you know that some countries could care less about players playing or not as long as they can snag them. While Germany wouldn't do that. Here seems to be the German-Nigerians of note.

    95-Akpoguma, Bazee (who's already with them)
    96-none
    97-Torunarigha and Uduokhai
    98-none, other than the English provisional cap tied L.Nmecha (triple)
    99-Beyreuther (part of Frankfurt's 1st team but has yet to make his pro debut, is only a back up that plays during friendlies), and Bennetts (triple national, open to all 3)
    00-Knost, F.Nmecha (triple, seems headed for England provisional cap tie), David, Heil
    01-Hein and Ezeh, maybe???
    02-Atubolu, Adeyemi

    not bothering with 03-onwards.

    the country that has more of a Nigeria dual problems is actually England. And if you look at German-Nigerians of note, L.Nmecha, F.Nmecha, Bennetts, all these guys are German-Nigerian-British

    when it comes to duals, Germany's real competitors seem to be Ghana and Turkey. Those 2 seem to be the most recurring ones.
     
  21. Epitome990

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    Jun 27, 2013
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    SV Werder Bremen
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    Austria
    Sarenren Bazee looked interesting a couple seasons ago and could have been useful for the youth tiers. But injuries have depleted his potential just like how it ruined Melvyn Lorenzen.

    IMO I'm not thinking too much of the Nmecha brothers and Bennetts. They grew up in England and were developed within their youth systems.
     
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  22. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    Germany
    Bennetts stated himself that he's perfectly willing to consider playing for Germany. He's open to all 3 options. In fact his dad, years ago stated that his son is close to his German grandparents that he visited something like 3 times every year since he was born. He's also fluent in German because of his mom. His dad also stated that Nigeria at the time was not an option as it's too long for traveling.

    last interesting bit he said was that we actually called him up 1st, in Germany U15 and once that happened, England took note and basically started to call him up because we did so, lol. Basically one of the reason why these kids choose England is because they live in England on top of that they are friends with British teammates who play for England. Seems almost like they do it to fit in over anything.Now that he plays in Germany with German teammates it's an easier get for the dfb, if they show interest.

    besides Germany is the 1st to show interest in him for NT and the ones who will give him his pro career is not England/EPL it's 1BL. Gladbach seems to rate him too, if he starts to play for the 1st team, than he seems likely to get himself in the picture for the next U21 cycle. Besides England have ignored him for over a year now and he's never played beyond friendlies. Although him playing for England would not be surprising.

    Lukas Nmecha for one has shown 0 interest in Germany. F.Nmecha kind of fits the Bennetts in that England showed interest in him again only after Germany did, England ignores him for almost 3 years and they only showed interest again once we did and called him up. With all the 00 talent England has not sure it's a wise choice to pick them. Believe he was a bencher while playing for them in U19.

    at the end of the day, Lukas Nmecha, Felix Nmecha, Jamal Musiala are all players that are poached by England, lol. None of these 3 are English to begin with. None have English parents or born there, so England is their adopted country, where they became citizens after living there for awhile. The fact that they prefer England over Germany makes them not even worth the effort. This isn't like Germany taking in refugees or people who want better lives. Musiala was scouted by Chelsea from Germany too and then prefers England..... Seems almost like another fitting in story. Although who knows who he wants to play for he seems to be going back and forth. July-England, Sept-Oct Germany (although he retracted in Sept, was not fit/knock?), then Nov England again. That's 2 England and 2 Germany call ups over the last half a year. Was also part of a German U15 camp.
     
  23. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    speaking of duals from the English system, Paul Glatzel after being in a German U17 camp last season, was called up to the Germany U18 this month for a friendly.

    Born in Liverpool, plays in Liverpool U18 and both of his parents are German. Way things are going he could make his U23 debut this season. One of the top scorers of the U18 league as well.
     
  24. Epitome990

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  25. Ger90

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    could be a chance for the numerous attacking players from Wolfsburg Academy to take his place if he does leave.

    speaking of Turkish interest for a dual, Trabzonspor seemed to have shown interest in getting Hertha's Kiprit. He last played for Germany but any Turkish moves and he's even more likely to end up with the Turkish NT.
     

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