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  1. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    Then trend these days is "guidance." During the earnings announcement did the company guide lower or higher for the future. Often a company with bad earnings guides higher and the stock rises, and sometimes earnings are good, but they guid lower, and it sells off.

    It is hard to know how wall street will take these things.
     
  2. B Rock

    B Rock Member

    Oct 7, 2004
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    Actually its not that hard.

    Most every analyst uses a form of a DCF (discounted cash flow) model to determine their price target; they really have become the religion of the market.

    The two main types of these are DDM (dividend discount model) which is obviously best for dividend paying positions and FCF (free cash flow models) best for growing companies.

    If you want an idea of how analysts are going to trade a company after guidance mess with the inputs on these models and you'll get a decent idea. It will take a long time to get a hang of it; but if you can do it you'll have a leg up on 95% of investors.

    Some models to play with
     
  3. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal


    Understood. I just thought it was a bit of a silly sell-off. Based on the past week, I was right. I'm heading over to Scottrade this afternoon to open my account. :)
     
  4. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    Bump. Matt, how's it going?
     
  5. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    I made a few changes that I think might help.
    First of all, I am going to trade primarily listed (AMEX and NYSE) stocks instead of Nasdaq.

    They seem to make more deliberate moves rather than bounce around randomly.

    Today was going to be the first day back, but I had system problems and I missed the majority of the morning activity (which is when I make 80% of my trades) so I am just going ot wait until tommorrow.
     
  6. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    Well, I continue to have mixed results. I have switched back to using a demo account until I can consistantly be profitable.

    There is no reason to throw good money after bad, and I will remain in demo mode indefinitly.

    I am giving my strategy a little more time b/4 I ditch it.

    Part of the problem is that no stocks are following through once they set up to my liking. My strategy works the best with stocsk that are moving on high volume and with alot of force, either up or down. The reason is I am looking for high probability entries once a stock is temporarily "resting".

    In this market it seems these resting points are harder to evaluate and turn into reversal points.
     
  7. Txtriathlete

    Txtriathlete Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    The American Empire
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    Awesome thread.

    PS. on the MSFT deal, with Xbox out tomorrow, and windows Vista next year, used to secure a long term gain, why wouldnt you play it for a run? I know I did. *grin*
     
  8. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    I normally dont trade overnights, and usually hold my longterm investments in a 401K and dont touch it.

    If you look at a daily chart MSFT, I think the XBOX "play" has run its course, at least for the short term. It is impossible to pick exact tops and bottoms but the stock has just made a relatively large run this month, and looks "extended" which means overbought.

    This isnt to say it wont keep rising, but for the reasons you cite for getting in (XBOX), I think it is late. It looks priced into the recent runup.

    I am not trying to tell you what to do, but perhaps waiting for a pullback or some sideways days b/4 getting back in?
     
  9. Txtriathlete

    Txtriathlete Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    The American Empire
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    Well I gave up daytrading a while back. Now I trade weekly or monthly rather. Its proven to be a LOT more profitable, and yes you are correct on MSFT. I actually bought in the dip a while back in the 26 region. This is one of two stocks in my portfolio I that bought on dips, the other was QCOM with the law suit dealy. They say we are in a tech rally, and I totally feel it.
    Again, this is all play money, I enjoy trading, I dont do it for a living, I just love beating the market for awesome returns.
     
  10. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    Same here. It is tough and I am currently trying to refine an idea that I had that has promise, but wasn't working out the way I had planned.

    I wasnt really losing, but was barely breaking even after commissions and my software fees. I am not going to commit larger amount of $$$ unti I can/if ever become more consistant.

    I am baically trading with a relativly small amount of $$ that I can afford to lose without really feeling any heat. Ino ther words, I walked into this assumming I would lose it, and being pleasantly surprised if it worked.

    I listened to a free webcast froma hedge fund manager last thursday and he had a similar style as mine. His insight helped (hopefully) clear up some of my problems with picking entry and exit points in my trades.

    we will see.
     
  11. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    Picked up some Dollar General stock on Monday. (DG) After an initial drop on Tuesday following a conference call, it's up a little. Looking forward to making some money.



    (Sachin: I hope this isn't considered spam, or pumping the stock. If it is, my feelings won't be hurt if you delete this post.)
     
  12. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    I think Sachin might be out of town, but I think I can vouch for him. You simply told what you did, u arent trying to convince someone else what to do.

    Big difference.
     
  13. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal


    That's what I sort of figured. But I'm never sure. I won't try to convince anyone else why to buy it then.
     
  14. Txtriathlete

    Txtriathlete Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    The American Empire
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    Can one simply explain why they themselves bought it?
     
  15. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    of course.
     
  16. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    sometimes you end up having a bad week and up like feeling like this:

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=870680

    I getting back on the saddle soon. I decided the program that I had developed, although promising, got me into risky trades (specific technical pattern) that wastn safe over the long term.

    For now on, I am going to look for that pattern, then a slight weak selloff followed by a beginning move in the orginial trend.


    I learned this technique from a hedgefund manager that was nice enough to walk people through his reasoning and strategies.. It make sense, and seems to work.
    But I also said that about my last idea....

    For some reason, Bigsoccer istn allowing me to upload my file. I will try again tomm...
     
  17. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    okay it let me. The file was too large to I had to shrink it down. Hence the ant size font.
     
  18. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    So - what is your net gain or loss since you started? can I ask?
     
  19. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal


    Sure. I am down roughly 500 hundred bucks. My trading decisions haven't been that bad, and I am net profitable on them, but inconsistant.

    It is just I have spent a few hundred in commisisons, combined with my software fees, overall all I am down.

    Being inconsistant, I realized my plan was flawed, so I changed a few things and took a little break.. Once I am consistant (if possible) I will up the share size and this will allow me to easily overcome my costs..

    Definitely not easy. I am glad I have a plan to fall back on, so its helps me not to feel the pressure.
     
  20. Dammit!

    Dammit! Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    Mickey Mouse Land
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    Matt, how'd this week go? Are you using your new two-step system?

    Or are you too busy fretting on the WC draw?
     
  21. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Re: Matt's Daytrading experiment and journal

    Still trading the demo account b/c I havent been able to get consistant. I really havent had much to write about.

    Posting the pictures the way I do puts a bit of a load on the BS site I was told, so I try to do so sparingly..

    And yes, about the draw, I am getting butterflies as we speak..
     
  22. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Okay, I changed the name of the thread to open it up a bit more for general discussion, b/c I am quitting my trading for awhile.

    I tried various methods after mine didnt work out so hot with not much success. I kept my losses very small, and the demo account helped me save alot more while trying different things.


    It was all in all, it was a bit frustuating, but I am glad that I tried it and can focus now on interviewing full time without distraction.

    SO I will keep the thread open for anyone to chime in with questions or comments.
     
  23. Dammit!

    Dammit! Member

    Apr 14, 2004
    Mickey Mouse Land
    I don't know about that Daytrading stuff Matt, too risky even for me.

    I'm trying to do some active trading w/out just buying/holding. I'm looking at holding a stock 1-3 months. And I'm trying to find five stocks to be in at any one time. That's fairly active.

    But with only five stocks, I'll be able to keep an eye on them pretty good.

    I'm looking for bottoms because I read that it's the least dangerous way to go. However, my problem so far has been my stops. I try to keep it tight and I've gotten stopped-out on positions too soon, on dips in the price intraday. Arrgg... I lost some money on those. Is there any way to set stops only on end-of-day prices?
     
  24. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
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    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Stops are tricky, yet necessary. I dont know about end of day stops, as I never have heard of them.

    One thing to remember, is that if you trade NYSE stocks, the specialists can see the stop orders in their books, and often try to swing the stock to trigger them only to take the contraside of the trade and let it run...

    So for very liquid issues with tight spreads, I use an ECN (ARCA, etc) so the specialist cant see them and screw me. This works a little bit better.

    that is the frustuating part of trading. It Is knowing how much pain to take b/4 you get out and not get yourself hurt.
     
  25. Txtriathlete

    Txtriathlete Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    The American Empire
    Good info, Thanks.
     

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