Futebol dos Gringos: Football unrelated to NT and Brasileirão [R]

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  1. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Next is Messi.
     
  2. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    Welcome David Luiz to Paris! #IciCestParis

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  3. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I hate seeing Luiz go, but for 50M pounds........it's really hard not to agree. I'm not sure we'll be in the market for a CB. We have Cahill and Terry, Zouma will be around starting this summer, Ivanovic can play CB, and we have two of our most prepared prospects at CB - Kalas (who started against Liverpool and did quite well) and Chirstensen, who's been making noises about playing.
    I think, and this is pure speculation, this means it's more likely we buy a LB (Shaw, Rodriguez or Moreno), since Ivanovic might spend more time at CB, while Azpilicueta will go to RB more often (where he's event better than at LB, and he's very good at LB). Also, this means we're definitely buying at least one CM, possibly two. Fingers crossed for Vidal and Rakitic :p

    Again, I hate losing Luiz. But he's not good enough in midfield (if he's the answer, we're asking the wrong question) and if he's not going to start at CB........leaving a 50M player sitting on the bench is silly, especially since we have 3 capable starters there already, with 3 very good prospects.

    What I don't get is how this factors into PSG's plans w/r/t FFP. Unless they're planning on sending Cavani back to us.......which I would be delighted with. Or one of Matuidi/Verratti (less delighted, but still).
     
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  4. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    Mourinho is weird. He coached players similar in style to Mata and David Luiz and he offloads them.
     
  5. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    But at Real he didn't have FFP issues to deal with, limited funds or unhappy players. Selling Luiz for 50M means we can buy, say, Shaw and Rakitic for less than what we sell Luiz. How do you not do that? With Mata, I think the issue was more playing time ahead of the World Cup; but the other issue is that he's a #10, and that's a position most teams no longer want. I have no idea what LvG is going to do with United; he's a 4-3-3 manager and none of Rooney, Kagawa or Mata fit that at all. I think United are going to regret that hire in the long run.

    Also, who did he have that was similar to Luiz? :confused:
     
  6. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    To put this in perspective, as much as losing Luiz hurts, Vidal wouldn't cost this much. I'd take Vidal over Luiz any day - it's not even close.
     
  7. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    David Luiz - Thiago Silva partnership.

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    Best Friends For Life!! <3333
     
  8. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Luiz is crazy.. he's a good player no doubt but extremeley overrated. I think it was very clever by Mou to unload him before the world cup. If he plays CB for Brazil I can see some slips of him, maybe cruisal ones
     
  9. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Actually, Luiz has been excellent for Brazil, lol.
     
  10. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Do you speak of friendlies?
     
  11. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    I see someone didn't see the Confederations Cup last summer.

    Best CB Duo on any International team was DL+TS
     
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  12. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Ok, you talk about friendlies. kehe
     
  13. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I'd much rather have him than Boateng or Mertesacker.
     
  14. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Qualifiers against Luxembourg and Estonia are a better measuring stick?
     
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  15. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I only see you mentioned a striker once in your text. :p With all those potential buys, who would you be offloading? (I know about Cole).
     
  16. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    Lamps and grandfather Eto'O have already been released..

    Poor Lamps.. it feels like a slap in the face.
     
  17. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well.. no. Not really. Maybe more than Hummels, who is overrated itself (still good but you know..). :)
     
  18. Catracho_Azul

    Catracho_Azul Member+

    Jun 16, 2008
    New Orleans
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    Sh1t Hipsters say.
     
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  19. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Yes, really.

    Offloading in what position? We have 4 CMs, one of whom didn't play last season (van Ginkel), while Ramires can't play in a 4-2-3-1 and another one is likely leaving (Mikel). Ba is likely gone, Eto'o is out of contract. If we buy Costa/Cavani, and keep the millstone that is Torres (sigh), then bring back Lukaku, that's 3 strikers.
     
  20. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hummels is the best German CB at the moment. If you don't rate Luiz over Boateng or Mertesacker, you shouldn't rate him over Hummels.
     
  21. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    50 mil is nothing for these guys. All about perspective.
     
  22. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    q.e.d. But hey I know there are undisputet truths in this sport ;)
     
  23. Kaka10725

    Kaka10725 Member+

    Jun 1, 2007
    I definitely sell for 50 mil. I see a lot of Lucio in Luiz. Same type of defending, same ability to go forward.

    I'm see a lot of team interested in a LB. Felipe Luis is one of the best and not many are interested which is surprising. I think he fits Chelsea perfectly.
     
  24. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Could be just me, but seems people might actually be underrating DL. I saw a development from him at the end of the 12-13 season for Chelsea and the last two years on the NT. He made less mistakes than Thiago Silva. This season, he barely played any CB at Chelsea. Now is he worth 50 million? Certainly not.
     
  25. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    He's a very good defender - he's just not worth 50M.

    I don't agree as much with the Lucio comparison - Lucio was much more pragmatic in his play. Luiz reminds me more of a sweeper, actually.
    As for Felipe Luis, he'll be 29 at the start of next season. No reason for Chelsea to spend money on a player that old, especially when a lot of his value comes from playing in the same back 4 for at least 3 seasons. If we're looking for a LB in Spain, Moreno makes more sense, but I doubt Mourinho goes for him - he likes taller fullbacks. I'd say Rodriguez or Luke Shaw are the best bets.
     

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