France gets 2003 Confederations Cup

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Atouk, Sep 23, 2002.

  1. Atouk

    Atouk BigSoccer Supporter

    DC United
    Apr 16, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    http://www.fifa.com/Service/MR_A/43881_E.html

    Four venues in France, Stade de France (Saint-Denis), Parc des Princes (Paris), Stade Gerland (Lyons) and Geoffrey-Guichard (Saint-Etienne), will host the 2003 Confederations Cup. It'll take place from June 18th-29th.
     
  2. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    At the risk of sounding ignorant, just what is the point of the confederations cup? It seems to be a new thing that started without any fanfare or announcement. I think when I first heard of it I thought it was some friendly tournament, but here it is being fully backed by FIFA.
     
  3. Atouk

    Atouk BigSoccer Supporter

    DC United
    Apr 16, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The point is to pit the champions of each confederation against each other (along with the World Cup champions). So, it's an only an eight-team tournament.

    For the first two (in '92 and '95 in Saudi Arabia) it was the "Intercontinental Championship for the King Fahd Cup" (and had less participants). They had only four teams in the first one and six in the second.

    Then, it turned into the "FIFA Confederations Cup" and has been around for three cycles now (Saudi Arabia in '97, Mexico in '99, Korea/Japan in '01) and will exist for at least two more (France '03, Germany '05), although UEFA is wanting to pull the plug on it after that.

    Winners:
    FIFA Confederations Cup
    '01 - France (def. Japan in final)
    '99 - Mexico (def. Brazil in final)
    '97 - Brazil (def. Australia in final)
    Intercontinental Championship
    '95 - Denmark (def. Argentina in final)
    '92 - Argentina (def. Saudi Arabia in final)
     
  4. BakedAlaskan

    BakedAlaskan Member+

    Feb 28, 2002
    Ancho-RAGE,Alaska
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very well said,Atouk.

    BTW is your name from the movie "Caveman" with Ringo Starr?Just curious.Not trying to be an ass.
     
  5. Atouk

    Atouk BigSoccer Supporter

    DC United
    Apr 16, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks. And, yes, that's where the name came from.
     
  6. photar74

    photar74 New Member

    Jun 25, 2002
    West Philly
    Apparently all of those writers who implied that France had already won the bid back in August had some inside info after all...
     
  7. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    Ooooooooooh! I can't wait!!!!

    ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............
     
  8. Sao Taffarel

    Sao Taffarel New Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    ...............well, I might go to see my beloved Brazilians (and France in June is not that bad you know)
     
  9. Nobby

    Nobby New Member

    Feb 18, 2002
    Kirkland, WA
    So its Brazil, France, Colombia, Cameroon, USA, Japan and New Zealand and another invitee. My choice would be Spain. They're ranked second on the FIFA listing and they placed fifth at the WC, not losing a game in the tournament.
     
  10. mr magoo

    mr magoo New Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    South Shields
    i would envite england so it gives me a chance to go to france again.
     
  11. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The other invitee is Italy; because France is hosting, the UEFA spot goes to the runner-up of Euro 2000.
     
  12. Sao Taffarel

    Sao Taffarel New Member

    Mar 19, 2002
    Italy or Germany apparently
     
  13. CrewToon

    CrewToon Member

    Jun 13, 1999
    Greenbrier Farm
    Why doe the powers that be want to pull the plug on this tournament?
     
  14. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Fixture congestion mostly. It's kinda a pointless tournament anyway. Hardly anyone cares.

    Sachin
     
  15. Nobby

    Nobby New Member

    Feb 18, 2002
    Kirkland, WA
    Elninho is most likely correct. Haven't seen official word on the FIFA web site. My choice of Spain was just wishful thinking.
     
  16. olafgb

    olafgb New Member

    Jun 6, 2001
    Germany
    ...which is Germany. kicker-article excerpt on the FIFA-Executive-Comitee:

    "From the German perspective MV [Gerhard Mayer-Vorfelder, DFB-President] had good and bad news.

    Good: after the ticketing scandals regarding this WC the intention now is to fully transfer the ticketing procedure to the German organisation comitee.

    Bad: the German national team shall take place in the Confederations Cup 2003 in France from June 18 to 29, which brings DFB [German FA] and DFL [Bundesliga administration] in a tricky situation. Considering that the next Confederation Cup 2005 will be held in Germany as tryout for the WC 2006, MV sees a participation in this Confederation Cup as necessary. German team boss Rudi Völler and DFL are against this plan: "This is a very big problem at this moment, the players need to recover from the season in June". Horst R. Schmidt adds: "We are in a situation, in which we can't deny to take part. But realistically I see no chance regarding the date to take part in France".
     
  17. Atouk

    Atouk BigSoccer Supporter

    DC United
    Apr 16, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "The powers that be" are only UEFA. Haven't heard anyone else say they want it to end. It's a good (and rare)chance for the top national teams from the different confederations to get to play one another.
     
  18. NGV

    NGV Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    True enough, but there's no reason it has to be that way. I just read this quote (about format changes in the Champions league) on soccernet:

    "...its addition further diluted a competition that had been largely discredited in many's eyes after the admittance of second-placed teams from leading UEFA member countries ahead of the 1997-8 season. "

    The Confederations Cup, as far as I can tell, is roughly the equivalent of the old European championship format (champions only), a system that many saw as more valid than the current CL format. So why isn't it the CC seen as a valid tournament, then? It's totally subjective. If teams and fans cared, it would be interesting, and vice versa.

    I like the CC, mostly because (like Atouk said) it gives teams from different confederations a chance to play each other in non-friendlies, which doesn't happen much. Maybe what FIFA should do is allocate only 31 of the 32 World Cup slots to confederations, and then award an additional 1/2 slot each to the confeds whose team won the Confederations Cups preceding the World Cup. That would make for a very worthwhile tournament.
     
  19. olafgb

    olafgb New Member

    Jun 6, 2001
    Germany
    It's not only subjective. In my previous post you see that Germany shall take part, but basically the timing is so bad that it's impossible. And this surely is the same in at least the other big European countries as well. The season finishes in May and in July the pre-season starts and the players need to recover. Either they get no break at all or they are forced to return from their vacation in June (and of course in bad physical shape). Big tournaments every two years are enough and if not then WC or EC should be more often and no third competition.
     
  20. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    There is a third option and that is for countries to send players that otherwise would never see international play. If FIFA persists in continuing with this farcical cup, that's what will have to happen.

    Sachin
     
  21. SportBoy321

    SportBoy321 New Member

    Jul 6, 2002
    New England
    I am very curious as to how those 4 venues were chosen. St.Entienne has a rich football history but the folks there haven't seen a high level of football played in a long time. I don't think they should ve been picked. I don't think you need Paris AND St.Denis because their so close you need to spread things out a bit. If I was picking the cities and venues for this tournament I would have chosen St.Denis,Lyon,Bordeaux and Nantes to be home to the matches.
     
  22. olafgb

    olafgb New Member

    Jun 6, 2001
    Germany
    Who'd watch these games? This cup makes sense at least for one nation: the host of the next WC as test. That's what Germany is doing in 2005. But with empty stadiums you can't have a real test. Don't want to play the Eurosnob, but the American leagues are in the middle of their season in June and for them it's hardly a problem to have a two weeks break. The situations is just bad for those who are between two seasons. In 2005 Germany of course will take part - add Brazil, USA, Australia, Argentina, Japan, South Korea and Norway (play through summer) and this would be an excellent friendly tournament. I just don't see why Spain or France should be forced to take part if they don't want to.
     

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