The MLS Stadium Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by fairfax4dc, May 20, 2016.

  1. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You could be describing me!
     
  2. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, they did. And the ancient Greeks and Romans knew how to build an amphitheater where every seat faced the stage and the acoustics were perfect and they didn't need no stinkin' roof to amplify the sound, but in 1911 when they designed Fenway Park, they still had a whole bunch of seats facing the outfield.

    If they had positioned Gillette Stadium at an angle perpendicular to how it is now, the sunlight patterns would have been more optimal. Of course, the high stands on either side meant that even on the sunniest days, it would be limited. (This even happens in places like Milan, where no one would argue soccer doesn't get "respect"). The other beef a lot of Pats fans had when the place first opened was that they did make it wide enough for soccer, which meant that there was a lot of room on the football sidelines. OK, so more room for the players' benches, but the fans were a lot further away, which meant it wasn't as loud as the old place.

    Back in the day when Gillette was being planned/built, I asked Jonathan Kraft about the stadium design and if he had thought about doing something a little different from just a more modern version of Giants Stadium, but with cup-holders and a nice scoreboard. Like mimicking some of the big soccer stadiums that have nearly full roofs. Maybe a larger version (3 decks?) of Sampdoria's stadium in Genoa, with towers for the lug-jury boxes in the corners? Imagine how loud it could get for a Pats game, they'd have a better home advantage than the Broncos at Mile High. He had this glazed over look in his eyes, and mentioned that he had been to Amsterdamn Arena. And look what we got! An empty corner of the stadium, a "lighthouse" and a cookie cutter stadium with missing sections that serve no aesthetic or architectural purpose.
     
  3. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    That Genoa stadium has long been my fave - but suits a tight downtown location.

    I think Kraft was building something more like an amusement park.
     
  4. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    "I don't want to go on the cart!"
     
  5. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I've always liked the design of that place, but it is a little bit run down.

    Not that anyone needs to be told this, but that was the place where it was confirmed beyond a doubt, how difficult it is to learn English. There was a group of 5-6 young tuffian Tifosi on the tram, out for a day of aggro and all that. They were wearing scarves that were supposed to say "Hell's Angels," but instead, it said "Hell's Angles." I was expecting them to go meet up with a tough-looking isosceles triangle, or maybe a parallelogram in a leather jacket, leaning against a wall with a cigarette in his mouth, giving a "What are you looking at?" stare-down!
     
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  6. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    DC United could have stolen some good ideas from the stadium in Genoa. Very similar lot size issues.
     
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  7. Lancaster FC

    Lancaster FC Member+

    Oct 2, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this has less to do about the stadium and more to do with overall frustration of a crappy owner who doesn't care. You don't see people complaining about Seattle and Atlanta. Because their owners invest and they fill their stadiums. None of this exists with Kraft.
     
  8. Lancaster FC

    Lancaster FC Member+

    Oct 2, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Every time I see this stadium... I think that the notch at the end looks like a hack job.... I just don't get it. It looks USL, or like the stadium was build in phases and the notch is from an earlier phase.
     
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  9. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    IMHO... That corner looks hideous
     
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  10. DCYC

    DCYC Member

    Chivas, DC United, Reno 1868
    Mar 24, 2010
    Reno, NV
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    It´s a 20k stadium near downtown in the nation's capital.
    Could it be better? yes.
    Is it better than RFK? yes.
    Do the architects/engineers that build the stadium know more than you and I?? for sure.

    I am an expert in USL stadiums (I go to one every 15 days and sometimes travel to see others) and this, my friend, has nothing to do with USL
     
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  11. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    Can someone still express their opinion on what they think? Yes
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The location of Seattle and Atlanta's stadiums also helps. It would be like Revolution playing at Fenway.
     
  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He just did.
     
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  14. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    DCU's stadium problems are easily solvable with some money and ownership that cares. DCU has all the ingredients available to them to be a monster market/franchise. Levien too stupid to figure it out. Key thing they got right was location.
     
  15. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Probably a reference to the "steep rake" all our MLS stadiums are after now. That Genoa stadium was 30 years ahead of us - out of necessity.

    Like the whole SSS movement since Italia 90, it's interesting how this affection for an increasingly steeper stand has developed, with the end goal being a crazy environment. What do we name this narrative arc?
     
  16. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dante's 5th Circle?
     
  17. Papin

    Papin BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 19, 1998
    le côté obscur
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS catching up to the rest of the world?
     
  18. Len

    Len Member+

    Club: Dallas Tornado
    Jan 18, 1999
    Everywhere and Nowhere.....I'm the wind, baby.
    Hey! Was it these guys?

     
  19. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Loons_010.jpg

    A little drive by Allianz Field (aka The Loon Palace, aka Cloud City) this morning... :)
     
  20. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Make "Cloud City" stick.

    You guys can rebrand that whole Midway neighborhood.
     
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  21. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And call the march to the stadium the Kessel Run? :geek:
     
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  22. NashSC

    NashSC Member+

    Nashville SC
    United States
    Jan 3, 2018
    How many parsecs will it take...
    Parsecs...that could be a supporters group.
     
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  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can the Supporters Section the Maw (From the Kessel Run)!
     
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  24. BalanceUT

    BalanceUT RSL and THFC!

    Oct 8, 2006
    Appalachia
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great ideas, but the problem is how litigious the Mouse Ears are.
     
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  25. fairfax4dc

    fairfax4dc Member+

    Dec 5, 2008
    Fairfax, Va
    The angle of the dangle
     

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