News: Flight carrying Chapecoencse in accident

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  1. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Horrible tragedy. Nice gesture from Atlético Nacional: they asked CONMEBOL to grant the Sulamericana trophy to Chapecoense. Apparently the Confederation will consider this in their meeting on December 21st.
     
  2. Brasitusa

    Brasitusa Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    May 14, 2014
    Club:
    New York City FC
    This and many other Internet rumors (such as Christiano Ronaldo donating 3 million euros) are all untrue. No clubs or players have volunteered any monetary donation so far. Shame, actually. I wish they did. If each mega-rich club in Europe and elsewhere donated say 1 million each, it would go a long way for example to establish an educational fund for the children of the dead players.
     
  3. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    That vid of them celebrating are they saying vamo vamo chape?
     
  4. MerlinRM

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    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I think many are refraining from mentioning monetary help because it is still a bit too soon. I don't doubt the offers will come in and things like friendlies will be organized. The fatal outcome is even bigger than Munich which is still very much talked about in sports so hopefully the fundraising/rebuilding efforts match the gravity of the situation.
     
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  5. Guigs

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    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Yup
     
  6. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    That minute of silence from the Liverpool - Leeds game got to me. :(
     
  7. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Talks of the cause possibly being lack of fuel. Crazy if that's true. Lawsuits coming I imagine.
     
  8. pepinointer

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    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  9. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    It's an "airline" that specializes in freight planes for South American soccer teams. They transported the same Chapecoense team for the QF match and the Argentinean NT 20 days ago. Yes, the owner only had 1 active plane and he started this business only 3 years ago or so. Really strange to me that they weren't using a Brazilian freight airline. Probably due to cost. Even crazier that the Argentine NT were also using a service from such a small operation.

    The plane is supposed to have enough fuel for the destination plus a percentage of air traffic in case of delay plus enough fuel to get to an alternate airport.

    A Brazilian tourist who was in a plane that was apparently going to another destination and was having fuel leaking problems had to land in Medellin and took precedence over the Chapecoense flight. In the airport somebody told her because of that, it may have caused that flight to crash. Definitely sounding it like they ran out of fuel given the fact that the plane also didn't explode on crash.
     
  10. Mengão86

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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I read that the pilot had an option to land to Bogota to re-fuel. There was actually a destination in Bolivia that was designated as a re-fueling point, but since they close at night, they needed an alternative (Bogota). To me, it seems like the pilot took a risk and as you said, probably ran out of gas holding out when the pilot should have played it safe and went to Bogota. I also read one of the reasons for not going to Bogota was because the plane was already running late. Unfortunately, there seems to have been a perfect storm of events that led to this.
     
  11. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The experience of the airline isnt bigger than 2 years...so because they used to made this charters than doesnt mean they are especialists


    The reason because the airline was contracted was because it gave an attractive offer to the teams, . Actually argentina reported an emergence last time with them....it only shows how the teams of our region are runned.



    Yeah another plane had that emergency to land in medellin, but an airplane should have enough fuel to hold in this stituation or go to another airport to land.


    The same director of the airline...said that the plan was that the pilot stop in bogota to fuel.


    review the links that i posted.

    One is the interview of the director of the airline and about : http://www.eltiempo.com/politica/ju...ta-al-director-de-la-aerolinea-lamia/16761870


    Esta aerolínea es cien por ciento boliviana. La hemos fundado hace dos años en Bolivia con 12 pilotos que habían trabajado en LaMia venezolana, con la idea de continuar con este proyecto que ya tenían en Venezuela. Tardamos más de un año en hacer todos los papeles que requiere la empresa para tener su matrícula y permiso aéreo. Empezamos a volar hace un año.

    Empezamos a volar vuelos chárter porque no pudimos crear una aerolínea aérea de vuelos regulares con destinos fijos. Por la poca economía que teníamos no pudimos hacer ese perfil. Así que nos especializamos en vuelos chárter. Empezamos en Bolivia, transportando equipos bolivianos, apoyándonos en los demás departamentos con muchas limitaciones.

    Se nos ocurrió seguir adelante con otros equipos extranjeros. Nos organizamos bien y les hacíamos seguimiento a los partidos de fútbol. Donde había un ganador y un posible juego en otro lado mandábamos nuestra oferta. Empezó a surgir nuestro primer equipo que nos contrató fue uno de Bolivia para que los lleváramos a Venezuela. Volamos, les gustó, y así seguimos operando con muchos equipos boliviano

    ¿Pero en ningún momento este vuelo tenía proyectado llegar a reabastecerse a Bogotá?

    De Santa Cruz tenía que ir a Cobija, que es en Bolivia. De Cobija tenía que ir a Medellín. Pero ellos se fueron directo hasta Bogotá, y de ahí tenía que ver la posibilidad de seguir o aterrizar en Bogotá. Era de noche. Y por esa negación de Brasil se complicó un poco. Pero por lo visto, si el piloto ha continuado es porque sí podía. Ha continuado y ha pasado esta catástrofe que nos hace mucho daño.


    http://www.marca.com/futbol/america/2016/11/29/583dc5bf22601d6c0e8b4599.html


    Expertos en seguridad aeroportuaria consultados hoy por Efe, que hicieron todo este detallado relato, no se explican cómo esta aeronave fue empleada para cubrir la distancia de 2.265 kilómetros aproximadamente que separan a Santa Cruz de la Sierra y el aeropuerto José María Córdova de Medellín, situado en el vecino municipio de Rionegro.

    Es casi la misma autonomía de vuelo que tienen los RJ, como el siniestrado hacia las 22.00 hora local del lunes (03.00 GMT del martes) a pocos kilómetros de su destino, en el cerro El Gordo.


    Las fuentes consultadas coinciden en recordar que hace unos veinte años aviones como estos fueron devueltos a su fabricante por la extinta compañía aérea SAM (Sociedad Aeronáutica de Medellín).

    Por entonces, los directivos de SAM, que en 2010 se fusionó con Avianca, argumentaron que eran de bajo rendimiento, pues apenas llegaban a Aruba y Curazao, y no tenían capacidad de ir hasta Miami.

    "Los protocolos de seguridad aeronáutica plantean que una aeronave debe tener suficiente combustible para llegar a su destino, pero también, para experimentar una espera eventual y, además, para ir a aeródromos alternos, en caso de presentarse una emergencia"
     
  12. pepinointer

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    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  13. celito

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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Apparently the place where the Argentine NT went in Argentina typically has turbulence problems. So that had nothing to do with the charter plane company being incompetent.

    Airlines have to submit a flight plan to the source and destination officials. Sounds like given the distance of this flight and the capacity of the plane, they should have made a stop to refuel. One airline expert on TV said sometimes pilots choose to skip the refuel option, which incurs cost of landing and take off plus local airport taces, and instead go direct to the destination. All speculations and hearsay at the moment. But given some of communication already made public heard by what I think is another pilot between the command center and the plane's pilot, it sounds like they ran out of gas.
     
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  14. celito

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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I would imagine that if the plane is rated for 3000 km , that doesn't include the extra fuel it has in case of emergency. So it should have 10-15% extra fuel to go over 3000 km just in case.
     
  15. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    "Los protocolos de seguridad aeronáutica plantean que una aeronave debe tener suficiente combustible para llegar a su destino, pero también, para experimentar una espera eventual y, además, para ir a aeródromos alternos, en caso de presentarse una emergencia"

    The autonomy of the plane in this case, was practically the same distances between medellin and santa cruz....fly over there to that destiny is a risk...


    Actually the same airline knew that and say that the plane should refueled....

    Avión de Chapecoense siniestrado incumplió plan de vuelo, dice compañía
    "El piloto es el que toma la decisión de no entrar, porque pensó que le alcanzaba el combustible", afirmó Gustavo Vargas, representante de la aerolínea.

    http://www.elespectador.com/deporte...strado-incumplio-plan-de-vuel-articulo-668197
     
  16. Mengão86

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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  17. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Pqp
     
  18. old_carioca_in_nyc

    Jan 26, 2007
    Manda o Del Nero para prisão, porra!
     
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  19. Mengão86

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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Not a moment passes where they aren't think about their pocketbook. Amazing.
     
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  20. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Festa???? really???
     
  21. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  22. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
  23. Mengão86

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    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    804075132058828800 is not a valid tweet id


    Nice by Cavani.
     
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  24. pepinointer

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    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia


    A Associação Chapecoense de Futebol através de sua equipe médica, representada na Colômbia pelo Dr. Carlos Henrique Mendonça, comunica, por meio deste, informações relativas aos sobreviventes que se encontram hospitalizados. O zagueiro Neto, último dos resgatados está em estado crítico, mas estabilizado, oferecendo boas perspectivas de melhora. O goleiro Follmann é o que se encontra em estado mais grave, tendo uma das pernas amputadas e a outra em análise, com possibilidade de amputação do pé. Ainda assim, seu quadro é estável, apesar de requerer mais cuidados. O lateral Allan Ruschel foi submetido à uma cirurgia da coluna vertebral, mas está com movimentos normais em membros superiores e inferiores. Apesar das múltiplas escoriações, e do estado crítico, está estabilizado e também oferece perspectiva de melhora. O jornalista Rafael Henzel teve um trauma toráxico e uma fratura de perna. O estado também é crítico, mas as perspectivas são otimistas. A maior preocupação, em relação a todos os sobreviventes, diz respeito ao perigo de infecção, já que os ferimentos apresentavam nível alto de contaminação. Ainda não há previsão sobre a alta dos pacientes, mas a equipe médica da Chapecoense tranquiliza a todos, já que a estrutura e os cuidados oferecidos estão sendo os melhores possíveis.
     
  25. MerlinRM

    MerlinRM Member+

    May 5, 2014
    NorthEast USA
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Makes me hope Inter get regulated now.
    I don't even know what to say. Who are they going to play??

    Although I wouldn't mind if they did some type of all star team against Atletico to raise money. Doubt it will even be thought of though.
     

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