Final Match 32: ARG-CHI - LOPES (BRA)

Discussion in 'Copa América 2016 - Refereeing' started by bhooks, Jun 26, 2016.

  1. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Sunday June 26, 2016 - 8:00 (ET) - East Rutherford
    Referee: Heber Lopes (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 1: Kleber Gil (BRA)
    Assistant Referee 2: Bruno Boschilia (BRA)
    Fourth Official: Roberto Garcia (MEX)
    Reserve Assistant: Jose Camargo (MEX)

    This thread is for all pre-match, play-by-play and post-match discussion and analysis of the refereeing team. Per the forum guidelines (http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/welcome-forum-guidelines.2032251/), this thread will be heavily moderated. For more general or partisan discussions of the match, please go to the general Group thread or the individual team forums.
     
  2. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
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    This game needs a yellow. '15
     
  3. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
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    There it is. '16
     
  4. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    I didn't think that was a 2nd yellow. I thought Messi ran straight into him.
     
  5. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Country:
    United States
    C'mon refs, the rest of us are waiting for several someones who are not Dr. Joe to weigh in here.
     
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  6. uniqueconstraint

    Jul 17, 2009
    Indianapolis,Indiana - home of the Indy Eleven!
    Club:
    --other--
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    United States
    I could see a whistle for that but caution? Erm...not sure just how tactical a foul that was, Messi pretty much ran straight at him.
     
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  7. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    My son was in a similar situation as that defender when he was much younger. The attacking player pushed the ball by him and then tried to run right through him, knocking him down. The referee gave the attacking player a caution.
     
  8. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    May 28, 2015
    New England
    Did the ref not realize that Diaz was already on a YC? He took a while before producing the red.
     
  9. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I'd think so, there was no rush to pull it out so he must not have realized.
     
  10. espola

    espola Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    And now Messi has his own yellow. Accumulation of sins?
     
  11. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
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    I thought so too. I wonder if he wouldn't have given the yellow had he realized sooner.
     
  12. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
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    Good yellow for a dive there.
     
  13. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Oh my, this is gonna be an interesting second half.
     
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  14. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Country:
    United States
    Was there even contact there?
     
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  15. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
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  16. Vinnydabody

    Vinnydabody Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Ref for the equalizer!

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  17. Thegreatwar

    Thegreatwar Member

    May 28, 2015
    New England
    Live I thought that could be a straight red. But on the replay, nope. Very tricky by Vidal.
     
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  18. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    This is certainly one we will be talking about for years.

    Quick takes: yes, no, no.

    Yes, he forgot the first caution, no it wasn't a cardable offense, and it wasn't a straight red.
     
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  19. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    This game is exactly why most referees don't give red cards on major Finals. The media and fans don't want the referee to be the story and here he has become.

    Poor guy is being crucified.
     
  20. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Poor guy hasn't been any good.
     
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  21. chaoslord08

    chaoslord08 Member

    Dec 24, 2006
    Fayetteville AR
    Club:
    West Bromwich Albion FC
    Country:
    United States
    Between this and that Galaxy/(5th Division team) Open Cup game, should be some fun clips in our summer State Camps
     
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  22. HoustonRef

    HoustonRef Member

    May 23, 2009
    Did Lopes work any matches at the 2014 WC?
     
  23. Kempa

    Kempa Member

    Sep 6, 2007
    Washington Suburbs
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Country:
    Brazil
    No. Ricci was the Brazilian ref at the 2014 WC.
     
  24. Ref Flunkie

    Ref Flunkie Member

    Oct 3, 2003
    New Hudson, MI
    I'm on tape delay and still in the first half, but I can't imagine refereeing a game like this. Ultimately the teams did bring this on themselves. Too confrontational and too much garbage late.

    I agree that I think he forgot he gave the guy a yellow card, but he did take a little bit to produce it. I think if you call that foul it is a yellow card as it stopped the attack, but he could have gone no call too.

    The send off did look worse real time than on replay, but I don't know how tackles from behind are viewed in South America.
     
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  25. PeanutFlush

    PeanutFlush Member

    Jul 8, 2009
    NoVa
    Club:
    DC United
    Country:
    United States
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