FIFA Rankings & World Cup Seeding (2018 Edition)

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Rickdog, Feb 15, 2016.

  1. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Any chance that Italy could be seeded you think? To make that happen some teams might have to fail to qualify. I also believe that we will really have to win all our next games, including friendlies. They use the october ranks I think. Anyway probably doesn't matter to be really honest, because the way FIFA does it is in terms of regions after that and not ranks all the way through the 4 pots.
     
  2. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All y'all missing the real story: Haiti just shot up into the Top 50 for no reason whatsoever. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  3. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    To your disappointment, the FIFA ranking, is not separated in teams A, B, C or D. It's only one team per country, and its the same FIFA ranking table for all, with the same basic formula.

    And in it, by the formula it uses, next month Germany is going to lose about 50 points wich will leave them 2nd, behind Brazil.

    If it helps you in anything, think about what happened to us : 2 consecutive times Copa America champions, finalists last Confederation cup, and despite those facts, we still fell to 7th.o_O
    While at the same time there were other teams whom hardly played much matches during this last year, not wining anything important, and they jumped to put themselves among the top 6 teams of the world. FIFA's ranking really sucks and has no direct relationship to the real levels of teams.
    :thumbsdown:
     
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  4. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    That happened because all their defeats at Copa America Centenario (3), are not counted any more for their last year's performance, which meant them increase their average points for this year.

    But their jump only meant them about 15 places. Which is a small jump if you compare it to Andorra's, whom with their sole win vs Hungary at Uefa WC qualifiers, meant them a 57 spot jump.:eek:
    Now Andorra is 129th (was 186th last month), which would put them close to mid table from Concacaf, Africa and Asia, and at 2nd place in Oceania, at only a few spots behind New Zeland.
     
  5. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Hopefully we will get an update soon, but chances of Italy being seeded were just 6,10%. Poland for example will almost certainly be seeded.

    http://www.football-rankings.info/2017/06/2018-world-cup-simulations-23-june-2017.html
     
  6. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    lol Yeah, Poland has a good chance to be seeded. They might still blow it though. I know those statistics say they're almost a lock but presumably Poland's over-rated-ness is baked into those calculations. So its a bit of circular logic.

    For e.g. normally one might comfortably assume that the #6 team in the world would beat Denmark and Montenegro this Fall. I'm not so convinced that Poland will win those games though.
     
  7. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Italy hasn't made out of the group stage in 2 consecutive WCs. They shouldn't be seeded out of principle :ROFLMAO:
     
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  8. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    That WCQ campaign hurts. Plus those PK wins count as draws.
     
  9. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Well, it does matter. Being seeded doesn't guarantee that you avoid a top team in the group stage (e.g. you could be seeded and still get Spain), and being non-seeded doesn't guarantee that you will get a top team in the group stage (you could get Poland).

    But being seeded sure helps your chances.
     
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  10. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I was trolling. Im probably the guy who thinks the least of this useless ranking.

    But yeah, that was because Euro is not a joke tournament like the world cup. Completely dominating France in their own home Euro was quite amusing still.
     
  11. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The Euros caught us in a bit of a transition phase. Players like Sanè, Werner, Weigl, Goretzka, and Brandt had yet to break through on the senior NT, while others like Höwedes, Schweinsteiger, and Can weren't good enough or were getting long in the tooth. To top it off were injuries to Ilklay and Reus, and the rushed integration of Hector and Kimmich.
     
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  12. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Poland's chances on the website are actually based off of ELO ratings which are less fickle to the luck of the draw. So I say they are almost a lock.
     
  13. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Poland may be the 'Switzerland" of this cycle. In 2014 France ended up looking more like the seeded team than they did.
     
  14. zahzah

    zahzah Member+

    Jun 27, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Well... so far Switzerland is also a seed as no 5 :)
     
  15. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    And hopefully they look like a seed if it happens that way.
     
  16. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Switzerland is bound to drop, not by much though. Chile & Colombia have to win the games they're expected to win in qualifiers to keep the seed, though.
     
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  17. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    An example of the interesting quirks in FIFA rankings. Germany and Chile played a 1-1 draw in the group stages, and Australia and Chile also had a 1-1 draw. Germany got more FIFA points for their 1-1 draw with Chile than Australia did. The reason for that is that Germany is a member of UEFA, and Australia is a member of AFC. A strange system that rewards one team more than another for exactly the same result.
     
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  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, that's deliberate: instead of using the strength-of-confederation factor on the opponent, FIFA applies it to the team in question, meaning that those of us outside of UEFA and CONMEBOL will always get fewer points than the privileged ones for the same results. :mad:
     
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  19. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    wins by pk's count as a win by pk's.

    They give the double of points as of a normal draw. A win in regulation time, gives the triple of points of those of a draw. And a defeat on pk's gives the same amount of points as a draw.
     
  20. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    For Switzerland, all it needs to happen, is to lose in their visit to Portugal by one goal, and from there it gets up hill for them, to qualify to the WC and to get seeded. Their current position in the ranking, will not help them much at the european playoffs.
     
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  21. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    In the statistics it's still a draw no matter how much points you earn of it.
     
  22. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Titleholders of the World Cup will last at least another year however.
    Did you mean to say it is all "downhill" from there? In English, going uphill (e.g. an "uphill battle") means it gets harder, not easier.
     
  23. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Depends on which statistics you are talking about, because for some cases a win by pk's, counts the same as for any win.

    For example in tournament stats, those who won on pk's, are considered to be at the same level of those who won on regulation time.
     
  24. Tukafo

    Tukafo Member+

    Oct 12, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    'Going downhill' doesn't mean things are getting 'harder' in English. The correct meaning of the phrase is that things are getting 'worse'
     
  25. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #150 Rickdog, Jul 6, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2017
    Title holder, yes.
    top spot of FIFA's ranking, not necessary.

    They are 2 completely diferent things.

    And btw, there is also a world champion title holder, that has no relationship to neither the World Cup, nor to the FIFA ranking, which is the Unofficial World Champion, whom currently holds it , is Bolivia, a title they took from Argentina by defeating them when they were the title holders (whom took it from us, by beating us last time we faced them).

    http://www.ufwc.co.uk/2017/06/bolivia-double-win-over-nicaragua-retains-ufwc-title/

    I said uphill, as for the Uefa playoffs, they will not get to face easy teams such as Andorra, Letonia or Faroe Islands (dead rubbers currently in their WC qualifier group) to reach the WC, but teams that will sure be at their same level or even higher than theirs, in a 2 match playoff, where winner takes all, and loser can start dreaming on the 2022 WC, as 2018 will be already past history for them.
     

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