FIFA 2019 WWC qualifiers

Discussion in 'Women's World Cup' started by shlj, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    They got better, yes... But I'd still hesitate about "deserving". They played a very out-of-form Australia side during the Women's Asian Cup, (Australia had struggled against Portugal in March too,) but even then they had lost to Australia 5-0 between the two tournaments. They've also lost all games against China in the past three years, and haven't taken a single point off of anyone in the top 15 aside from that WAC SF draw. They were outscored 24-0 against Germany, Norway, Netherlands, and USA in recent years. The only reason they didn't get 0pts in the 2015 WWC was because another debutant was also in their group. They're not cannon fodder in Asia, maybe, but they're still cannon fodder overall I think.

    We might get to a 32-team WWC by 2031, but I don't see it any time soon. UEFA and maybe CONMEBOL might be fine with an expansion, but we already have fringe teams getting in from AFC, CAF, and CONCACAF in the 24-team format. I'd rather seen a few semi-good UEFA teams miss out than have a ton of fringe teams watering down the groups.
     
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  2. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah, if FIFA wants to water down the men's tournament with 40 teams, then may as well water down the Women's with 32 teams.
     
  3. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    fyp :whistling:
     
  4. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    Adding more teams to WC is just a BS away to drag the event out even longer and suck more money out of it. It's greed--period.
     
  5. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Papua New Guinea
    Expanding it to 32 nations is smart, brings in more money, allows the women's game to grow, and it's not greed if you reinvest a lot of that capital back in to the future expansion and overall growth of the women's game.
     
  6. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
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    Papua New Guinea
    Also, let's say Denmark and Norway don't qualify this time from Europe.

    Adding ....

    Denmark
    Norway
    Iceland and/or Finland and/or Scotland
    North Korea
    Ghana
    Colombia and/or Argentina
    Costa Rica and/or Haiti

    to the current 24 teams that will make it to the World Cup in 2019, is a good thing.
     
  7. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    It could be worse. In men's cricket, they made the World Cup longer and reduced the teams!
    (10 teams, 46 days. And it's cricket, so it feels like 64 days. They also excluded the up-and-coming teams, like your own Netherlands. L'orange, I'm sorry. I signed the petition to get them in, but it didn't help.)
    [​IMG]
     
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  8. That's because we did beat England. You can't have that, it's like Iceland beating Brasil in soccer.
     
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  9. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Africa (CAF): 3
    Asia (AFC): China, Thailand, Japan, Australia , South Korea
    Europe (UEFA): Spain, Italy, England +5 and hosts France
    North/Central America (CONCACAF): 3 plus 1 to play-off v Argentina
    Oceania (OFC): 1
    South America (CONMEBOL): Brazil, Chile plus Argentina v CONCACAF fourth place
     
  10. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    And, after Chile had already ruined @WWC_Movement's plans earlier this year :giggle:, now we have another WWC debutant from UEFA: Scotland! :)
    And Belgium still have a chance to qualify also (even if it will be difficult, since they're going to have to play-off vs Netherlands, Denmark and Switzerland).

    So we're now at:
    Africa (CAF): 3
    Asia (AFC): China, Thailand, Japan, Australia, South Korea
    Europe (UEFA): Spain, Italy, England, Scotland, Norway, Sweden, Germany +1 and hosts France
    North/Central America (CONCACAF): 3 plus 1 to play-off v Argentina
    Oceania (OFC): 1
    South America (CONMEBOL): Brazil, Chile plus Argentina v CONCACAF fourth place
     
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  11. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I mentioned this in the UEFA thread, but I'm disappointed that all of the UEFA teams with perfect qualification records got the results they need on the last group stage matchday to keep their records intact. We still have to see about USA, Canada, and Nigeria, but consider this:

    --Of the 12 teams that qualified for the 1991 WWC, seven have never missed a WWC. Another one (China) has only missed once.
    --Of the 3 debutants for the 1995 WWC, two have never missed a WWC since and the third (England) hasn't missed since 2003.

    That's 11 of the first 15 WWC qualifiers (and nearly HALF of the current size of the WWC) that have never or nearly never missed. By contrast, the MWC has only one nation with a perfect qualification record (Brazil) and three or four with near-perfect records. There's also only one nation (Japan) that's been perfect since their first qualification (six tournaments ago) and eight nations (about one-quarter of the current size of the field, due to be one-sixth soon) that have also been in all past six MWCs.
     
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  12. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Your stats clearly show that developing a national team takes a lot of time. Consistency is hard to reach.
     
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  13. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Addendum to the previous post:
    Only once (France at the 2011 WWC) has a nation not in those "constant 11" made the SFs, out of 28 possible SF berths. One can probably argue that France is entering the "constant" category, and NZL probably has also, so let's call it 11+2. Similarly, only 7/56 QF berths have gone to nations not in those "constant 11+2", and 2007 was the last time it happened.
    The first point is probably true, but the second is kinda the opposite of what my stats show. Of note, even among the first 8 MWCs, Brazil was the only nation to not miss at least twice. Those first 8 MWCs also had 38 cumulative qualifiers without expanding above 16, compared the the first 8 WWCs having 34 cumulative qualifiers with two tournaments at 24. My point was not that consistency is hard to reach - rather, that consistency is the norm in WoSo, and actually making a significant change (e.g. Frances' recent growth) is the exception rather than the rule, to the point where things kinda stagnate.
     
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  14. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    In general I agree with your point. I guess another "kind of" exception to it (beyond France) could be considered Japan: not in terms of "entering" the "constant" category, since it was already one of the 7 teams who never missed a WWC since the beginning (thus making Sawa's record possible, by the way), but in terms of growth and development: for 5 editions of the tournament Japan basically had been a "group stage" team (except for a lonely QF in 1995), then suddenly they had 1st place in 2011 and 2nd place in 2015. They basically took the place of China, that had dominated Asia in the '90s.

    So, yes, a general stagnation, if you look at the big picture, but with some isolated changes around.
     
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  15. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Yes, I meant consistency for the newbies is hard to get. The France improvement is down to money poured into certain clubs and the NT.
     
  16. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Papua New Guinea
    Originally, it looked like we were on our way to having 23 or 24 of the teams being repeat nations from 2015 during the early part of qualifying, especially with the same 5 teams from AFC getting in as last time, and UEFA qualifiers were going the route of chalk (from 2015) early on this time as well.

    Thankfully we have two new nations, including Scotland. Chile is going to need some serious help next summer. They are one nation that will probably have at least one or two embarrassing losses in their group. I still don't know how Chile got in over Colombia. At least Colombia beat France in 2015, and scored a 2-2- draw against Hope Solo and USA in Rio 2016. Since then, Colombia has been terrible.

    Maybe South Africa qualifies from Africa for the first time.
    They've been to two Olympics (2012 & 2016).

    Not sure we see any other newcomers this time around.
    Belgium is probably not going to qualify.

    Scotland
    Chile
    South Africa?

    And at least 21 others who have been to a World Cup before.
     
  17. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    --other--
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    --other--
    @WWC_Movement, probably not even you had figured that Jamaica could have had a shot. :) And now, by beating Costa Rica, they're in the driver seat to reach the CONCACAF-CONMEBOL play.off. :giggle:
     
  18. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Papua New Guinea
    Jamaica will finish in 4th, unless Mexico chokes against Panama this week.
    Jamaica vs. Argentina looks very likely now.

    Argentina is probably happy they are not facing a traditional CONCACAF Top 4.
    It gives them a shot, but this also give Jamaica a better shot that they'd be facing Argentina instead of say Colombia.

    Western Hemisphere is upside down now.
    Colombia, Ecuador, and Costa Rica made the World Cup last time.
    Not this time. And yes, Costa Rica is now eliminated.
    Don't need to wait for the word "official" on that one.
     
  19. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I would greatly hesitate to say reaching the playoff is "in the driver's seat" considering that reaching the playoff means losing both knockout round matches X-D
     
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  20. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    --other--
    Let's say they drive the car and they send it crashing on a wall, because all signals say that's the correct way to reach their destination! :laugh:
     
  21. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    --other--
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    What about Panama-Argentina now? :)

    What were you saying, some months ago, about the likeliness of having no new teams qualify for WWC 2019? :laugh: Probably we seldom had such an injection of truly unexpected teams! Of course, Jamaica still has to make it to the semifinals, but if they'd make it we would be guaranteed to get at least one of Jamaica or Panama in France. And the other one would still get the chance to beat Argentina for their spot.
     
  22. Airox

    Airox Member

    Mar 14, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While I feel bad for Mexico.... good job Panama!
     
  23. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    Panama's GK is amazing. The semis, assuming Canada shows up vs. Costa Rica tonight, should go as expected with USA beating Jamaica and Canada beating Panama. That third place match will be the one to watch (Jamaica vs. Panama).
     
  24. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Papua New Guinea
    I had to light a FIRE under the assez of:

    Scotland
    Chile
    Jamaica
    Panama/Argentina (no one remembers Argentina from 2007 anyways)

    to get a more fresh tournament in 2019 compared to 2015.

    2019 is also the year of the "New" in the World Cup.
    The younger stars of the tournament will emerge.
    And they will be the ones to remember as they carry the torch forward.
     
  25. WWC_Movement

    WWC_Movement Red Card

    Dec 10, 2014
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Papua New Guinea
    Western Hemisphere (2015)
    USA
    Canada
    Mexico (gone)
    Costa Rica (gone)

    Brazil
    Colombia (gone)
    Ecuador (gone)


    Western Hemisphere (2019)
    USA
    Canada
    Brazil
    Chile
    Jamaica/Panama/Argentina (2 of 3)

    Over 50% turnover from 2015.
    4 of the 7 qualified teams from 2015 are eliminated.
    No one expected Ecuador to get back though, but the other 3 choked.

    UEFA
    Europe is now guaranteed to have 7 of their 8 qualified teams in from last time.
    Plus Scotland and Italy. Not much turnover in Europe.

    AFC
    Asia has the same 5 teams returning in 2019.
    North Korea failed. You would think they would have been more driven.

    OFC
    New Zealand would have to pull a Denmark during qualifying to not make it in.
    If they go on strike, Tonga may just step up and deliver.
    Papua New Guinea may have what it takes to beat Tonga.

    But if New Zealand shows up, even with just 8 players, they're in.
    The Ferns could certainly win using a 2-1-3-2 formation.
    They'd still score enough goals, while giving up some. But still win 9-7.

    CAF
    Who knows what will happen during African Qualification.
    We'll probably get another Equatorial Guinea or Zimbabwe type of team in.
    Maybe Gambia or Zambia takes a spot for once?

    Polar
    We'll have to wait a little while longer for North Pole to qualify in the future.
    Greenland will also emerge to be a power.
     

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