Favorites to win in Russia' 2018?

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Favorites to win in Russia' 2018

  1. Argentina

  2. Brazil

  3. Chile

  4. England

  5. Germany

  6. Italy

  7. France

  8. Spain

  9. Uruguay

  10. Netherlands

  11. Portugal

  12. Other

  13. Belgium

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  1. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Another question is will they go if they do qualify. They're pretty pissed about the Russians shooting down that jet liner full of Dutch citizens over Ukraine.
     
  2. MIGkiller

    MIGkiller Member+

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    May 9, 2003
    Rio de Janeiro
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    What's the point of playing the qualifiers if you don't intend to go to the tournament in the first place??
     
  3. Milan05

    Milan05 Member

    Dec 2, 2015
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Chicago Fire

     
  4. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Maybe he meant a Club World Cup?
    :p
     
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  5. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    To make it more awkward for the Russians.
     
  6. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark

    They better try a bit harder then. At this point, the Russians are just laughing at the Dutch.
     
  7. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I wouldn't use the word laughing when the subject includes 200+ people who died when a commercial airline was shot down, but, yeah.
     
  8. Hayaka

    Hayaka Member+

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Francisco North Bay, Bel Marin Keys
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    I used the word "laugh" because that is how they roll in Putin's Russia. You think the old KGB agent cares about the people on that airliner? It is disgraceful he was allowed to host the World Cup in the first place.
     
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  9. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Mbappe will be a world cup winner by 2026.
    He is the next football world superstar.
     
  10. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    There have been a lot of World Cup Stars who have not lifted the World Cup trophy.
    But France does have a good young nucleus and depth so they will be contenders.
     
  11. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Difference is that Mbappe will have the players quality behind him to take him to the top of the world!
     
  12. GunnerMan8705

    GunnerMan8705 Member

    Oct 3, 2016
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Here's my big issue with all the France hype:

    Amount of talent doesn't win world cups. Yes. France is loaded with tons of talent. But that creates it's own issues. It's not as easy as just putting the best player at each position. It's about finding a system, style and cohesiveness with 11 players.

    If you were to tell someone Brazil has won 8 WCQ in a row and ask them to give you their starters very few people would guess David Luiz, Thiago Silva, Oscar, Casemiro, Alex Sandro would all be missing from the starting 11 and guys like Miranda, Marquinhos, Paulinho and Renato Augusto would be starting... People would laugh their ass off at you. I definitely don't think Paulinho and Renato Augusto are the best they have, but they fit the system .

    That's what France has to do quickly is find the right 11. Pair the right guy with Pogba. Pair the right forwards together. It's not as simple as just having the most talent.

    Brazil is on this run wothout Gabriel Jesus, Oscar, and arguably a top 5 FB in the world in Alex Sandro. Also have a guy in Fabinho who hasn't even been called up. The position Brazil right now lacks is an out and out CAM to link it all up....watch out for a guy named Anderson Talisca who is killing it for Beskitas....15 goals and 9 assists....
     
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  13. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    The last time france had such generation they won one world cup one euro and two confederations cups.

    They played two world cup finals in 8 years.

    This last decade they had very good players and they kinda underachieved but not as good as what is coming now.

    Mbappe is the next number one in the world and he is french.
    It's not Pogba or Griezmann that will lead french squad in the coming years they will be there for sure but it's the likes of mbappe lemar mendy that will take this team to a higher level they did not have before.
     
  14. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't know if France has good on the field leadership as they did with guys like Deschamps, Zidane ,Desailly.
    Those players rallied guys together emotionally had the intestinal fortitude and tough mentality to say we are not going to lose.

    As we saw in France last Summer in contrast, there really isn't that leader on the field who takes over and commands.
    We shall see if someone emerges down the line but until then I think they may just fall short of the late 90's early 2000's greatness.
     
  15. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    France has talent, no question - but so have many countries. I don't think France is already able to put their hands on silverware during the next 6 to 8 years.
     
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  16. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Problem is that you and many people bring too much importance on recent past instead of realizing what is happening now.
    I live in France. I'm not a french fan. My teams are Croatia and Serbia.
    But The french squad coming will be 100 times stronger than what you saw in 2014 and 2016.
    When some players are maturing there are incredible players coming and about to make the difference.
    Griezmann Pogba were and are good...but Mbappe will be a great.

    Sidibe and Mendy are much much much more stronger than sagna and evra.

    Lemar will be a superstar.

    You don't reach champions league semi finals at such a young age by coincidence.
     
  17. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    And as I said there are many stars who have not won the World Cup.
    They need a leader to emerge. It can happen, but until then I will be be a bit skeptical.
    Especially in 2018.
     
  18. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    One of your recurrent problems, is that you over rate the Uefa champions league too much.

    Playing at top level at club level, doesn't mean or imply that at national team level, players will play likewise.

    There are lots of players that can be considered almost as "gods" at club level, but when they must do the same thing at national level, they simply "flop", at it or simply become average.

    This goes both ways, as there are also some other players which at club level, go almost unnoticed, but when they play at national team level, they do wonders.


    And how will they afterwards do for the next WC (Russia 2018), their background at club level becomes almost completely inconsequential. Where the only thing that really counts is how they do at national team level.
    ;)
     
  19. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    The last big european nations that came with talents in every fields won it.

    Italia in 06, Spain in 10, Germany in 14.

    France is on its way just as they were.
    Maybe not in 2018 but by 2026 they will do big.
     
  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    They could be on their way but they could end up trophyless.

    I don't think they will do it in Russia.

    Qatar is going to be a crapshoot in that unpredictable calamity of a tournament in November/December.

    2026 is probably going to be in North America which is also going to be unpredictable for Euro teams.

    We shall see.
     
  21. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    the reason why they won it, is that most of their players actually play in Europe and therefore lots of them also play at the champions league.

    But there are many other players from other teams which also are from Europe, that didn't win it and there is plenty of them that actually did an outstanding ridicule during the WC, given their background.

    Classics are the examples of CR7 and Messi, that between them both, have won almost everything at club level, but once playing for their respectful national teams, all that silverware means peanuts.

    One thing doesn't imply the other...
     
  22. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    I don't take one fact in count but few.

    France was already a 1/4 finalist in the last world cup and finalist from last euro with many young players and few that are about to be replaced by better.

    These players that were there already mature and gain experience.

    And there are others generations of young players winning that arrive, that already won at u20 at u19 level and that now shine at the top club competition.

    Soon or later it will pay.
     
  23. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    Messi and Cr7 never had behind them what Mbappe will have behind him in the coming years.
    Top players from goal keeper to strikers.
     
  24. Nicola777

    Nicola777 Member

    Dec 9, 2013
    Club:
    Olympique de Marseille
    2010 and 2014 were in south africa and brazil and still the best euro teams won it.

    It s not possible now to win a world cup with one or two players above all and weaknesses there or there. You need a team strong everywhere.
    And France will have it.
     
  25. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    If all that were so, by current times we would already have at least 3 african teams among the WC champions, as in the last 20 years, their teams have achieved lots of success at youth level.

    But as of today, none of them have won anything yet, and what's worse, they haven't been capable of producing any team at national level with levels to consider them as being at least candidate to win it all. And many of their players have also excelled at the Uefa Champions league (keep that in mind).

    At most with that background you seem to give too much importance to, all you got is potential and nothing else.

    And France, the same as Croatia, the same as Portugal, the same as Belgium, the same as Nigeria, the same as Senegal, all have lots of talent within themselves and potential to be great, but to say that they all excell over everybody else, is a huge distance, that also may never happen.
     

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