F52: USA v. Netherlands, 7 July

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  1. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
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    Aren't your worried by the performances of youth teams at the latest U-17 and U-20 WWC?
     
  2. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I made a point on the Netherlands 2019 thread a couple days ago which I'll elaborate on here. It's about tactical substitutions available to Coach Wiegman beyond Lineth Beerensteyn and Jill Roord, who she's used freely so far in the World Cup and who will probably figure prominently in the championship match.

    One of Netherlands' weaknesses is a slow defensive line. Partly to correct that, Wiegman has started Dominique Bloodworth at CB in place of the veteran Anouk Dekker. But if Netherlands find themselves in the 2nd half down a goal or two and needing more in the attack, one solution, paradoxically, might be to bring in a slow defender, Dekker. This would allow Bloodworth, a natural midfielder, to play further up the pitch, either A) as defensive midfielder allowing Spitse or Groenen to support the attack, or, less likely, B) on the left wing where normally Martens would be.

    When I noted that the Dutch midfielders rarely or ever seemed to be combining together in an attacking move, Orange14 made this observation:

    It would be very risky, as some pointed out, to re-pair van der Gragt and Dekker in central defense, but we're talking about situations where you have to take chances, situations where Netherlands is at high risk of finding themselves anyway, down a goal or two in the 2nd half and needing to get players who can be gamechangers in places on the field where they can change the game.

    Judging from Coach Wiegman's use of her bench, it seems some players who are starting in deeper parts of the field - Spitse, Groenen, or Bloodworth - are more likely gamechangers than any other attackers on the bench, besides Beerensteyn or Roord who I assume will already be deployed.
     
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  3. BlueCrimson

    BlueCrimson Member+

    North Carolina Courage
    United States
    Nov 21, 2012
    Cincinnati, Ohio
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    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Korea DPR have won the most youth WC. What has that done for them at the senior level?
     
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  4. MrOranjeBal

    MrOranjeBal Member

    Apr 7, 2009
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    AZ
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    Netherlands
    If you have to press against a team that can execute a counter, I'd not put in a slower defender... But I am not a coach...
     
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  5. zdravstvuyte

    zdravstvuyte Member

    Aston Villa
    United States
    Jul 26, 2018
    Back on tour !!!
    Mewis for Horan...
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  6. MrOranjeBal

    MrOranjeBal Member

    Apr 7, 2009
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    #106 MrOranjeBal, Jul 7, 2019
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2019
    Martens to start for the Dutch. And apparently Dekker for van Dongen.

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  7. Gilmoy

    Gilmoy Member+

    Jun 14, 2005
    Pullman, Washington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mewis for Horan; Rapinoe for Press.

    Dekker for van Dongen (and van der Gragt => LCB, Bloodworth => LB). Martens starts!

     
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  8. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just want to say Bloodworth the Brave. A midfielder who's been asked to play center-back is now asked to play left back against Tobin Heath. They are asking a lot of her.
     
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  9. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not ideal, but I gave the reasons. You have to take some chances in some situations...

    I didn't expect Wiegman to start the gamble with the opening lineup but it's also logical. She feels van Dongen can't handle Tobin Heath so she'd rather get Dekker on the pitch to begin with and Bloodworth in a position where maybe she can get forward at some point in the game.
     
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  10. MrOranjeBal

    MrOranjeBal Member

    Apr 7, 2009
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    AZ
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    Netherlands
    Louis van Gaal's advice: park the bus...
    :whistling:
     
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  11. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
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    Yes, but as @kolabear noticed, it somehow makes sense. Van Dongen has been the weak link of Netherlands' defense so far: I prefer by far the better player on the pitch, although out of position, over keeping the mediocre player who plays in her own role.

    We're going to see how effective it will be, but I like the move!

    Also, hoping Van de Sanden can be subbed in later in 2nd half: as seen in OL also, she's probably more effective as a super-sub than as a starter.
     
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  12. This for sure is going to be a match that will be physically demanding. When Shanice is being subbed in, she's going to face defenders and midfielders with legs that have been done alot of work.
     
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  13. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
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    FC Bayern München
    Van de Sanden basically won the CL two years ago when she was subbed on against Wolfsburg :whistling:

    Question for me is if Miedema will run this game and help her team out defensively more than she’s done :unsure:
     
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  14. Gilmoy

    Gilmoy Member+

    Jun 14, 2005
    Pullman, Washington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stade de Lyon, Lyon. 31°C = 88°F, 35% humidity, some clouds.

    1147877722468864000 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  15. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

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    May 26, 2001
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    I want to see Press or Horan later in game
     
  16. Gilmoy

    Gilmoy Member+

    Jun 14, 2005
    Pullman, Washington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  17. zdravstvuyte

    zdravstvuyte Member

    Aston Villa
    United States
    Jul 26, 2018
    Back on tour !!!
    Here we go kids ....

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  18. Kakeru

    Kakeru Member+

    Manchester United
    Japan
    Feb 22, 2016
    Montréal, QC, Canada
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    Manchester United FC
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    Japan
    No matter how many times I listen to it, Wilhelmus is always such a beautiful anthem to enjoy time and time again.
     
  19. Jamooky

    Jamooky Member+

    Mar 24, 2006
    Cleveland, OH USA
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    not a great sign that the ref didn't notice a second ball on the field
     
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  20. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
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    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USA is most dangerous in the first 15 minutes of the game
     
  21. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    my cable provider decided this would make my broadcast better... D428141F-6B84-46DB-A3F0-B569DE4B959F.jpeg
     
  22. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I second this, from a more personal perspective. My ex had that swagger in that everything she did was on point. It could easily be considered arrogance until one looked at how she phrased what she did, and how much effort she put in to do what she did. That is how I see the US team.
     
  23. Kakeru

    Kakeru Member+

    Manchester United
    Japan
    Feb 22, 2016
    Montréal, QC, Canada
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    Manchester United FC
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    Japan
    That was a poor pass by Martens when it looked like a good build-up. Heads up!
     
  24. Kakeru

    Kakeru Member+

    Manchester United
    Japan
    Feb 22, 2016
    Montréal, QC, Canada
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    Manchester United FC
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    Japan
    What happened there?
     
  25. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
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    FC Bayern München
    Mewis’s got an amazing surname by the way :thumbsup:
     

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