Expansion Draft

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  1. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
  2. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
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    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
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    Well, we can only lose one player - and Rickets is an international - figure Beitashour goes before Ricketts.
     
  3. ArteEtLabore

    ArteEtLabore Member

    Dec 16, 2006
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    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I'm surprised Irwin is unprotected unless they figure that Bono is a sufficient replacement
     
  4. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    That was my thinking, too. Bono did really well when Irwin was injured and (maybe because of injury?) I really don't remember times when Irwin stole games for us. So I'd be comfortable going into next season with Bono as our starter if we had to.
     
  5. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
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    Endo was protected because you have to protect 3 internationals.....Cooper...Giovinco...Endo are our 3 protected internationals.

    The only reason that either of the expansion teams would take Ricketts (who would be an international to them but not TFC) is if they thought they could get more in a trade back to TFC or (more likely) a trade to Montreal or Vancouver (ie. Call them up and say "look what we stole from TFC...what would you give us for him?")...but he has very limited value to either of the US based expansion clubs.

    Beitashour would be interesting to them but way too expensive.....likely to go is Irwin if either team wants to invest in an experienced keeper or Bloom...experienced, inexpensive and servicable defenender.....outside chance that Lovitz goes but unlikely.

    BTW...if I were these teams I would be letting TFC know that I had a very strong interest in taking Ricketts and trading him to Montreal or Vancouver....then make a deal with them (like a 3rd round draft pick for Lovitz) to agree not to take Ricketts.
     
  6. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
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    Another thought....it speaks volumes about the job TFC have done that the 11 they have unprotected would likely be reasonably competitive in a lot of MLS matches

    lined up in a 4-4-2

    Irwin

    Beitashour - Simonin - Williams - Bloom

    Lovitz - Cheryou - Johnson - Babouli

    Ricketts - Roberts


    (had to put the back up keeper up front to use all eleven...but the point is that is a pretty good batch of players for any MLS team to have to leave unprotected)
     
  7. adammac19

    adammac19 BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 31, 2006
    Sydney Mines
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    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Also remember Bloom is an Atlanta native so could see that as another reason to be pick but I am hoping they don't take Beitashour off our hands (despite high cap hit I think he will be selected)
     
  8. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    He'd get at least as many shots on net as Seattle.
     
    DavemTFC and ArteEtLabore repped this.
  9. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
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    There is a lot of talk that Minnesota is very keen on Irwin....not sure what the order of selection is but since each team can only lose one player, they had best take Irwin before Atlanta takes Bloom. Getting an MLS experienced (but still fairly young), US domestic full back on a good contract has to be very appealing to AUFC.
     
  10. ArteEtLabore

    ArteEtLabore Member

    Dec 16, 2006
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    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I'm surprised that they're protecting both of Haggaleta. I don't see either of them as being completely irreplaceable; I figure it would be much harder to find a quality MLS-experienced goalkeeper
     
  11. DavemTFC

    DavemTFC Member

    Apr 4, 2012
    Toronto
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    #11 DavemTFC, Dec 13, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2016
    To be fair, other than Dempsey, how many other players in the league can say they've scored against England in a world cup?

    Two young cheap starting-caliber American CB's are pretty valuable in MLS. If I was an expansion team and either of them were available I'd take one over anyone else we've protected

    I remember when Orlando joined we all thought they'd take him for similar reasons (iirc his wife is/was posted around there) so while I wouldn't rule it out I don't think geography is that big a factor

    All of that said, here's who I think is most likely to go, ranked

    1. Irwin
    2. Beita
    3. Ricketts
    4. Bloom
    5. Lovitz
    6. Williams
    7. Everyone else (they'd be dumb to pick WJ since he can just become a free agent after and I think I read somewhere he doesn't want to go to an expansion team)

    It would be a huge shock if we don't lose anyone. Virtually the only downside to being an actual good MLS team :rolleyes:
     
  12. DavemTFC

    DavemTFC Member

    Apr 4, 2012
    Toronto
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    Canada
    Irwin taken by...Atlanta!?
     
  13. DavemTFC

    DavemTFC Member

    Apr 4, 2012
    Toronto
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    MLS stream is saying he could be insurance if they don't sign Guzan
     
  14. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
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    more likely that they will trade the allocation order right to Guzan to his hometown Chicago Fire now
     
  15. ArteEtLabore

    ArteEtLabore Member

    Dec 16, 2006
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    You can assemble quite the team of ex-TFC players from the unprotected list without actually picking anyone from TFC's list. Check out this starting 11 (with a few players playing out of position):

    F:
    Oduro, Dominic
    Amarikwa, Quincy

    MF:
    Barrett, Chad
    Gomez, Herculez
    LaBrocca, Nick
    Bekker, Kyle
    Edu, Maurice

    D:
    Nagamura, Paulo
    Wynne, Marvell
    Warner, Collen

    GK:
    Konopka, Chris


    I don't know if it is more reflective of the fact that because of their years of lineup changes, half the league is ex-TFC players, or that most of the ex-TFC players are not players teams want to keep. Or both.
     
  16. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
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    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    No love for Nathan Sturgis
     
  17. ArteEtLabore

    ArteEtLabore Member

    Dec 16, 2006
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    Canada
    I also left Allan Gordon off the list. I had to keep it to 11
     
  18. ArteEtLabore

    ArteEtLabore Member

    Dec 16, 2006
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    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    So, I guess "goalkeeper" just moved up on our list of offseason needs
     
  19. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
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    Toronto FC
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    Canada
    maybe we get him back for, say, Bloom and Williams..

    It was speculated that Minnesota was interested in Irwin....not Atlanta. Atlanta has first pick on returning players and Guzan is coming back....they also made a young keeper their first ever signing.....then they go out and take 2 goalies with their 5 expansion draft picks?

    Methinks they are in deal making mode!
     
  20. crazypete13

    crazypete13 Moderator
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    May 7, 2007
    A walk from BMO
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    Or do we just roll with Bono and Roberts?
     
  21. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
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    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Reports are floating that a deal to bring him back already in the works.
     
  22. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
     
  23. ArteEtLabore

    ArteEtLabore Member

    Dec 16, 2006
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada

    Looks like TFC just got the Mo Johnston treatment
     
  24. adammac19

    adammac19 BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 31, 2006
    Sydney Mines
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Sounded kinda like a handshake deal before hand to make sure Irwin didn't end up with Minnesota FC so Atlanta picks him, get player they prob looked at picking before hand in Bloom and little allocation.
     
  25. atlanticTFCfan

    atlanticTFCfan Moderator
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    Mar 14, 2007
    Sydney, Nova Scotia
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Funny that Nagamura is in that list, given that he just retired this past week.
     

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