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  1. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    Manchester United
    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Krolva District (クロルバ区)
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    Manchester United FC
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    thread title credit to Chaz Striker.

    proceed
     
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  2. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    Manchester United
    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Krolva District (クロルバ区)
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    Manchester United FC
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    not fully onboard with this but i do like that the groups are generally competitive for all three teams. don't have to watch the San Marino type blowouts in every group on a regular
     
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  3. doubletrouble

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    Manchester United
    Saint Kitts and Nevis
    Dec 16, 2003
    St.Kitts
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    St. Kitts and Nevis
    At 8pm we come up against Canada. They used my club training ground to practice for the entire week s we had to be relocated to another ground for two weeks. The first week they fixed the field up a bit which is a plus for us. Seeing how Canada trained it will be a tough match for us but I am looking forward to it.

    Oh and Dwight Yorke is currently on island as he was the guest at our league's first ever Crystal Ball Awards held last night at the Marriott.
    I was offered a ticket to attend on behalf of my club who had 5 members up for nominations but I declined.
     
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  4. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
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    May 31, 2015
    Another time, another place
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  5. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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    Dunno if anyone noticed but Rash again had a great chance where he came in from central/right and was 1v1 with keeper but rather than shoot with his left he took another touch with his right and defender slid in and got the ball.

    So frustrating.

    If he wants to be a striker he _has_ to develop his left peg. United coaches and him should be all over this long-standing issue.
     
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  6. Ashur

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    It's precisely the issue: he's probably not coached the way he should be in the ways of being a top forward/striker. Being instructed to run a lot and make sure you don't forget about defensive duties is hardly it, much less what will help him improve as a player in the fashion he is expected to.
    As frustrating and disappointing a moment that might have been, it's hard not to notice how better both he and especially Lingard look on England duty (compared to United), therefore highlighting once more the real root of the problem.
     
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  7. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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    On the game, England clearly do not have anything like the best first eleven. However there is some decent squad depth there now and a manager who is prepared and brave enough to use it.

    Key to the win today was being able to bring on good subs and Southgate making the changes early so they had time to impact the game;

    Alli 63', Lingard 73', Sancho 73'
     
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  8. Ashur

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    #8 Ashur, Nov 18, 2018
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    Entertaining game so far between Switzerland and Belgium. The Swiss have come back from 2 down, following a brace from Thorgan Hazard in the first 15mins.
    Check that, Switzerland is now 3-2 ahead: Seferovic with a brace of his own and it's the score at HT...
     
  9. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

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    May 31, 2015
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    #9 Ashur, Nov 18, 2018
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    Belgian defense very shaky and rattled today, as the Swiss are now up 4-2. Kompany looking his age (nothing like the player he used to be) Boyata not that good himself and Courtois is not his assured self either.
    Some significant missed on that team (KdB, Lukaku and Getting an among others) but to still, that is a hefty collapse after a strong start (Martinez style).

    Seferovic gets his hat trick to effectively seal the game off for Switzerland.
     
  10. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    So semi finals with Portugal, England, Switzerland and either France or Holland (depending on Holland v Germany tomorrow). Deffo some surprises there.

    France would be guarenteed if they hadnt lost to Holland. Missed the under-appreciated Pogs.

    Belgium likewise looked guarenteed but missed the under-appreciated Lukaku.
     
  11. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    #11 Ashur, Nov 18, 2018
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    It's close to a guarantee that Belgium missed Vertonghen and KdB more than they did Lukaku. Lukaku is an important player for them, but Martinez dropped the ball by not starting Batshuayi, who is just coming off a 2 goal game and would have been a better match vs the Swiss defense.
    But today was proof that the CB Corp is the biggest worry for them going forward (especially if one of the Spurs boys get hurt). As mentioned above, Kompany is close to finished, Vermaelen is unreliable and not getting younger, Boyata is simply not good enough.
    Martinez needs to start looking at alternatives with all the regulars, save Boyata, close to or well beyond 30. Kabasele is still relatively inconsistent, but I'd like to see him get more opportunities.
    A mediocre striker at best like Seferovic was made to look world class today. Enough said about where the problem resided mainly for Belgium today....

    As far as France is concerned, let's hope that Deschamps has learned that replacing Pigs with N'Zonzi is a no go. He's an alternative to Kante. With Tolisso unavailable, then Ndombele is the guy who should get the nod for Pogba (not sure if he's in the squad, but he ought to be).

    Still some games left in the schedule, but while very sceptical of the whole thing at first (and also a bit confusing), the first edition of the Nations League is a success as far as I'm concerned. It's a novel idea that looks to work: kudos to UEFA on this one.
     
  12. doubletrouble

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    Manchester United
    Saint Kitts and Nevis
    Dec 16, 2003
    St.Kitts
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    We lost 1-0 to Canada
    Junior Hoilett was a bit tricky with his pace and quick feet
     
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  13. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

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    Jamaica
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  14. Ashur

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    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    De Ligt and de Jong, believe the hype.

    www.espn.com/soccer/club/netherlands/449/blog/post/3700379/matthijs-de-ligt-frenkie-de-jong-are-stars-on-the-radar-of-barcelona-manchester-city-juventus

    2 players who would actually fill major needs for us, yet we don't appear linked with either one of them.
    And yes, I'm aware of the fact that we may not be the most attractive destination at the moment, but a club of our supposed means (and as stated our needs as well), we should be in the conversation for one or even both of them.
     
  15. Naboomagnoli

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    May 31, 2007
    No chance.
     
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  16. benni...

    benni... BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 23, 2004
    Chocolate City
    Rights. Even if we ignore the turmoil around the club, other clubs are better fits for them. Barca being the number one club. Philosophy and history of Dutch greatness.

    Also history of playing young players frequently.
     
  17. Ashur

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    May 31, 2015
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    #17 Ashur, Nov 19, 2018
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    Barca would appear to be the logical destination for both players, but due to the interest from other prominent clubs and therefore the astronomical fees each player will command, I think they'll end up with just one of the 2.
    My money would be on de Ligt: with Pique coming closer to the end, he looks like the ideal long term partner for Umtiti. As far as de Jong is concerned, it would not be surprising to see City going after him hard. He's exactly what Pep likes and Fernandinho is at the age where he's going to need to be replaced. Neves or de Jong are the clear favorites for the role and it stands to reason City will end up with one them.
    Juve are also in the running for both, but they'll probably find themselves priced out for either, unless a big move the other way (Dybala?) can happen. The one scenario I can see Barca getting both players is by making room in their squad, and raising funds by selling off some pretty significant assets.
     
  18. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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    Manchester United FC
    Mou used to be a draw for players, but there have been so many documented player fallouts, now also combined with a more recent reduction in winning stuff that he now repulses many players.

    Salary used to be our big draw, but that is now matched by the FFP ignoring petro-clubs. Plus Ed is desparatly trying to put the Sanchez salary genie back in the bottle given how restless it has made others (particularly those whose contracts are coming up).

    Honestly, we need a manager and DoF who will add some attraction to the club or we will end up getting short-term mercenaries who can't make it with the majors and couldn't really care who they play for.
     
  19. Ashur

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    May 31, 2015
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    #19 Ashur, Nov 19, 2018
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    That is clearly what it comes down to, as discussed so often in the past few years. We've got the means, financially at least, to compete with pretty much any club out there.
    The problem comes from the poor transition of the post SAF years, which has led to the club slowly but surely losing it's identity, and thus some of its prestige and reputation in the process.
    Until those deep rooted issues are addressed (with the departure of Mourinho first and foremost) and a shakeup on a structural level, it will be hard for us to be attractive to top players the way we used to, even if we really should be on the same level of thereabouts with the Real, Barca, City and all the other top clubs in Europe...

    Germany, although just playing for pride, vs Holland should be interesting because of the rivalry between both nations.
    Werner puts Germany ahead with a super long distance strike. Lowe finally making some necessary changes, with Sane, Gnabry and Werner starting upfront together and it's already paying dividends.

    Holland need just a point to get to the semis but find themselves 2-0 down, with Sane putting one in the board.
     
  20. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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    Manchester United FC
    2-0 to Germany.

    Has to be said that both goals from the player being marked by de Ligt - hasn't got tight enough on either.

    Cillessen unconvincing on both too but that is not news really.
     
  21. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    The changes made by Lowe have made the difference and this is more like the Germany we know. Moving Kimmich to a holding role has brought stability and is allowing them to grab hold of the midfield, while the front 3s energy/movement is causing the Dutch backline all kinds of problems.
     
  22. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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    German defence is the gift that keeps on giving.

    2-2 and the Dutch going to the finals instead of the French.
     
  23. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
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    The Dutch always send VvD up if they are chasing a game, so pretty bad from German management off and on-field to get out-numbered 3v2 central for a cross and leave him free.

    Think Joachim Low number has to be up after just 2 points from 4 games.
     
  24. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    Not to diminish what the Dutch have accomplished (they never have up and got their reward in the end) but this is really a case of Germany throwing this away. They were well in control until the 85th min when Promes scored and thereafter Holland just threw everything at them.
    The buck stops with the coach, but some of the players have badly let themselves down. As mentioned, Lowe made the right choices today and it showed for most of the game. Will be interesting to see what the DFB chooses to do: he should have lost his job after the WC, yet he didn't.
     
  25. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
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    Ghana
    Woohoo! FIrst Page. The Concacaf Nations League is gonna be shear madness and a joke.
     

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