Everyone's favorite son: The Timo Werner thread

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Epitome990, Jul 2, 2017.

  1. Sifrit

    Sifrit Member

    Mar 15, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What has Dembélé got to do with Mbappé (other than being French)? Though, yes Stuttgart was significantly worse than Rennes.

    When Werner first played for Stuttgart they finished 15th, then 14th and finally 17th when they were relegated. It was a fight against relegation every single season and they changed coaches about 3 times a year. The French league has 20 teams. Rennes finished 9th before Dembélé, 8th with Dembélé and 9th again after Dembélé left for Dortmund. That's a solid mid table team, not a relegation battler.

    Since your argument was that Werner's numbers are less impressive because he's scored them at the age of 20 and not 18, I don't believe you can just entirely ignore the circumstances in which both players had to operate.

    Mbappé would have never scored those numbers in a team battling relegation with 3 different coaches in the same season. Maybe Mbappé can be successful on the wing too (though his great CL play was in a 2 striker formation with Falcao), but Werner was simply put there because he is fast, and no coach let's a 18-year-old play lone striker for a team theatened by relegation. But for him that's playing out of position. Try Lewandowski as a winger and see how world class he is anymore.
     
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  2. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Why the f does everyone has to be versatile n play well at the wing?

    He is a striker.

    Mbappe is just a supporting forward or winger. He can play as a lone striker
     
  3. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I need clarification.
     
  4. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Players don't develop on a linear scale. Just because someone has displayed talent at the age of 18 doesn't mean he will be amazing at 27. There are plenty of high profile young players who flame out at 21-22 years old. There a many examples from Brazil.
     
  5. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I have been very impressed with Mbappe when I've watched him and I think he's going to be special. Same with Dembele. Sanè and Werner are very good prospects in their own right, but the French duo are more impressive right now.
     
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  6. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Sorry I meant he can't play as lone striker
     
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  7. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  8. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    All these debating is useless when you dont factor in that Erner is a sob
     
  9. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    You're right, but at the same point the truly special talents stick out; and watching Mbappe's skill, physical gifts, and instincts is special. Werner's excellent and Eggestein could end up even better; but Mbappe is truly special whenever I watch him.

    His head could swell and his workethic could waiver; injuries could ruin his career; and he could lose his focus; but he seems to have a great head on his shoulders to go with all of that talent. So if we're willing to give Timo the benefit the doubt, Mbappe deserves it as well.
     
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  10. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
    http://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/B...ndowski-and-champions-league-glory-455672.jsp

    RB Leipzig’s Timo Werner chasing Aubameyang, Lewandowski and Champions League glory


    Timo Werner’s rise to prominence has been rapid. Relegated with VfB Stuttgart in May 2016, the forward bounced back in some style last term, helping RB Leipzig finish second before winning the Confederations Cup with Germany this summer. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the 21-year-old now can't wait to test himself in the Champions League.

    It's been a spectacular year for Werner, who helped Leipzig finish as runners-up in the Bundesliga by scoring 21 goals and creating eight more in 31 league matches last term.

    The Stuttgart native weighed in with almost a third of his team’s tally as they sealed a place in the group stage of next season’s Champions League. Along the way, he became only the fifth player in Bundesliga history under the age of 22 to score at least 19 goals in a season.

    He was the leading German scorer in the top flight – and fourth overall behind Borussia Dortmund’s Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang, Bayern Munich’s Robert Lewandowski and recently-departed Cologne striker Anthony Modeste.

    Aubameyang led the scoring charts with 31 strikes and Lewandowski was just one behind. Werner doesn't think he's at their level just yet, and doesn't plan to put too much pressure on himself this season.

    “I don’t want to be compared with them yet – they’re world class,” he says. “It’s impressive how they score their goals. It was nice to be within sniffing distance of them."

    “Of course my aim has to be to do something similar again. But I’m not going into the new season with a commitment to myself that I have to score 20 goals again.”

    Werner’s reputation was enhanced further at the Confederations Cup in Russia, where he set up Germany’s winning goal for Lars Stindl in the final against Chile at the Krestovsky Arena in Saint Petersburg in July.

    He took home the Golden Boot too – having needed fewer minutes on the pitch than teammates Stindl and Leon Goretzka to score three goals in the tournament.

    The pacy forward could have been part of Germany Under-21s’ title-winning European Championship team instead but, he now admits that he is dreaming about travelling with the senior squad to next summer’s World Cup.

    To do that, Werner needs to back up his stellar maiden campaign with Leipzig. However, the youngest player to reach 100 Bundesliga appearances is not taking continued success for granted.

    The promoted club won 20 of their 34 league matches last season to finish three points ahead of Dortmund in second place and 15 behind champions Bayern.

    “This season we maybe won’t be the number one challenger anymore,” he said. “Maybe it will be Dortmund or someone new. Dortmund have signed very good new players, though so have we."

    “It’s hard to say where our path will lead us because this is the first season where we’ll be playing a lot of midweek matches.”

    Werner will be watching out for the Champions League group stage draw on 24 August, although he's unsure about whether he should hope for a kinder schedule on paper or to relish the challenge of facing some of the biggest names in the competition.

    “On the one hand, we’re all sportspeople and we want to go further,” he said. “In that case you’re hoping not to get the best opponents."

    “But on the other hand, we’re playing in the Champions League for the first time so it wouldn’t be amiss if we could play in the Bernabeu, the Camp Nou or in Old Trafford.

    “They would be trips that you would not forget in your lifetime.”
     
  11. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Nat'l Team:
    Austria
  12. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
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    SV Werder Bremen
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    Austria
    Looks like Timo may still have been in Mallorca mode as he missed a penalty shot. But he woke up and made up for it in the second half and scores Leipzig's third goal.
     
  13. Epitome990

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    Jun 27, 2013
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    Austria
  14. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

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  15. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I see what you did there

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  16. Epitome990

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    Jun 27, 2013
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    Austria
  17. Epitome990

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  18. Epitome990

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  19. Epitome990

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  20. Epitome990

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  21. Epitome990

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  22. rj123

    rj123 Member

    The team with the most German NT players
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2010
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Why is/was TImo Werner booed during the Czech game? I heard he's been booed during Bundesliga games as well. Any reason why?
     

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