European Elections

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  1. ceezmad

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  2. ceezmad

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  3. soccernutter

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    Will this thread have any discussion about Eurovision?
     
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  4. ceezmad

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  5. ceezmad

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    Can you Europeans tell me the big differences between the -Progressive Alliance of Socialist and Democrats- (S&D) and the -Alliance for Liberals and Democrats of Europe- (ALDE).

    Is the first one more Bernie Sanders and the Second one more Joe Biden?
     
  6. ceezmad

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    Here are some Manifestos.

    -The Greens-European free Alliance- (greens/EFA) [Economist projects about 55 seats]

    Greens
    https://europeangreens.eu/priorities-2019-what-european-greens-fight
    EFA (A Party of mostly separatist movements)
    https://www.e-f-a.org/2019/03/25/check-our-campaign-website-to-build-a-europe-of-all-peoples/


    ALDE Party [Projected 105]

    https://www.aldeparty.eu/political-programme-and-european-elections-manifestos


    Europeans Peoples Party (EPP) [P 168]

    https://www.epp.eu/papers/epp-manifesto/


    S&D [P 146]

    I did not find a manifesto, since they are an alliance of a bunch of parties, they probably each put out one.

    Then there are

    European Alliance of Peoples and Nations [P 73]
    European Conservatives and Reformist [P 57]
    European United left-Nordic greens [P 51]
    European Freedom and Direct Democracy [49]



    https://www.economist.com/graphic-d...-eurosceptic-surge-in-the-european-parliament
     
  7. ASU55RR

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    In my opinion, it's more complicated because EU politics makes strange bedfellows depending on which side of the political spectrum is more internationalist by country... ALDE at its core seems to basically provide a broadly centrist option for pro-EU voting while S&D is a legitimate coalition of Social Democratic parties with left leaning economic interest. That said the Czech pro-ALDE party rules with support of the Communists who hate the EU, and are ideologically led by a feckless billionaire that tries to rule on a populist platform that contradicts itself.

    The S&D includes a number of parties that are nominally pro-Europe but includes a lot of representation from countries where Social Democrat voters (even if not the parties themselves) are opposed to further integration or even somewhat anti-EU.

    As for the Czech EU elections, I expect that ANO (ALDE) and Pirati (Pirates Party) will be the top 2, but my only hope is that SPD (MENL) gets locked out from picking up a seat as projected... Okamura is a specific kind of idiot that I'd rather not be given international platform.
     
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  8. ceezmad

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  9. ceezmad

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    Le Pen will win in France but just barely.

    Green party with a strong 3rd.

    1132709097676115970 is not a valid tweet id
     
  10. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    Turnout being up so much means the exit polls, depending on when they were taken,
    could be further off than normal.
     
  11. LastBoyscout

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  12. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    The UK results look like a Brexit Party rout.
     
  13. charlie15

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    Labour and the Cons got their a** kicked. Corbyn with his wishy-washy positions is the main culprit for this debacle.
     
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  14. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    No, if you read the Brexit thread it is factual and logical that Labour's woes are the fault of everyone and everything except Labour itself.
     
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  15. ceezmad

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    You can't be half pregnant, Labor and the Torys need to go one way or the other on Brexit.


    I guess the Greens did not win in Germany after all?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/macron-humbled-france-exit-polls-181312441.html
     
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  16. ceezmad

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    Here are the reported results so far.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-european-parliament-elections/

    Law and Justice is still very popular in Poland, the surviving twin is their Trump and a headache for the EU.

    In Italy between the League, Forza Italia and the Brothers of Italy, the far right got 40 out of 73 seats.

    As you say Brexit with 29 seats in England is more than if you combine LibDems+Greens+Scott and Welsh nationals (27).

    Vox won 3 seats in Spain.

    In Hungary the alliance of Fidesz + Christian Democratic People’s Party won over 50% of the vote, more EU headaches.
     
  17. Jenks

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    The EU probably needs to abandon it's policy of mass immigration and demographic replacement. It's not something that the people want.
     
  18. charlie15

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    Can you refer to the specific EU Policy stating the above? Unless I missed something, I don't recall ever seeing or hearing about this specific policy.
    :rolleyes:
     
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  19. charlie15

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    Labour is smelling the coffee and trying to stop the bleeding.

    Jeremy Corbyn has pledged to support a second referendum on any Brexit deal after the Labour leadership came under overwhelming pressure to halt the exodus of its remain voterswho backed pro-EU parties at the European elections.

    The Labour leader said he was “listening very carefully”to both sides of the debate after the party fell behind the Liberal Democrats and also lost ground to the Greens.

    Labour’s preference would be a general election but any Brexit deal “has to be put to a public vote”, he said. Several Laboursources noted this was a shift from his previous position that a second referendum was being kept as an option on the table to stop a damaging Tory Brexit.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...port-for-second-referendum-after-voter-exodus
     
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  20. Jenks

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    You should read the European Commission's literature on it's migration agenda. They're quite open about wanting to introduce a common asylum policy that would try to force member states to accept an allocation of asylum seekers, and also talk about keeping Europe an attractive place for migrants "in a time of demographic decline".
     
  21. charlie15

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    Nah....I am asking for a specific policy or directive from the EU Commission or the EU Parliament. Feel free to provide a link.
     
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  22. LastBoyscout

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    Mar 6, 2013
    The asylum quota is about easing pressure from (southern) border countries who get the bulk of the asylum seekers and have to deal with them while the EU countries further from the border can twiddle their thumbs. Border countries have been lobbying for more shared responsibility regarding asylum seekers long before the recent migrant crisis brought it to the front page of everyones agenda.
    Current EU rules pretty much only places the burden of dealing with asylum seekers on the country of first arrival.

    Third country migration is something that is decided by every member state themselves by the way. Not something the EU regulates.
     
  23. Jenks

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    I feel like this is the part where I link the European Agenda on Migration literature that I suggested you read in the first place, and you, desperate to refute the point of contention, dismiss it because there is no explicit call for demographic replacement or mass migration even though every migration policy they pursue produces those results.

    https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/s...on/20181204_com-2018-798-communication_en.pdf
     
  24. Jenks

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    I think a fairer system would be Germany and Sweden and the like paying compensation to border countries to offset the chaos they've caused by encouraging the mass movement of third world economic migrants (and some asylum seekers too).
     
  25. charlie15

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    You said it yourself, there is "no explicit call for demographic replacement or mass migration". There is as a matter of fact, no implicit or explicit policy nowhere close to that ridiculous statement. The rest is you just looking for a boogey man......
     
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