PBP: EURO QUALIFIERS: IRELAND VS GERMANY

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by MatthausSammer, Oct 8, 2015.

  1. bayernfan09

    bayernfan09 New Member

    Oct 8, 2015
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Arrogant performance but rep Ireland deserved it
     
  2. pikuchan

    pikuchan Member+

    Jul 26, 2009
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I just hope Schurrle doesn't start the next match
     
  3. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Löw raus!
     
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  4. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    Nothing new with this game. Without a towering striker it will be a struggle for this team to score. The players we have are suited for counter attacking play - neither are possible against teams sitting back or when you are behind. You could tell the players had no idea how to unlock this defense. The team needs a plan B. If Gomez is back on form, get him into the team. If not, bring in Kiessling....
     
  5. Cazlon

    Cazlon Member

    Aug 17, 2005
    Pretoria/Berlin
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Worked just fine at the WC finals. Who gives a s**t about some friendlies and qualifying matches without any consequences...
     
  6. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Kiessling is a terrible option. He offers nothing ATM. Wouldn't like a Gomez callup, but wouldn't be tremendously opposed either.
     
  7. StormTrooper

    StormTrooper Member

    Jun 18, 2002
    ATX
    At this point it looks necessary to find a target forward ala Klose again. They can play this style while even or ahead, but it isn't working against a bunker.
     
  8. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Die Mannschaft gets 4 points out 4 games against Ireland and Poland. Didnt happen when it was still Nationalmannschaft.
     
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  9. StormTrooper

    StormTrooper Member

    Jun 18, 2002
    ATX
    I blame the shorts
     
  10. rj123

    rj123 Member

    The team with the most German NT players
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2010
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So in Euro 2016 qualification:

    without Schweinsteiger in the line up we're 2-1-2 (W/D/L)

    With Schweinsteiger in the line up we're 4-0-0

    Just sayin'
     
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  11. Epitome990

    Epitome990 Member+

    Jun 27, 2013
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Don't let MatthausSammer start anymore match threads. ;)
     
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  12. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hey, I'm 1-1 on matchthreads. Borussia Dortmund beat Bayern last season in the DFB Pokal when I started that match thread, and that was on an awful season overall. :D
     
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  13. BorisG

    BorisG Member+

    Sep 30, 2009
    Namibia
    Club:
    FC Nürnberg
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Goetziller got shot down down by an RFA Fighter....
     
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  14. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Anyways, I don't believe many conclusions can be drawn from this match. Ultimately the team was simply not putting forth the focused effort necessary to beat Ireland today. Gomez or any other target striker would not have changed that IMO.
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Rangers
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    But that is actually not what happened.

    After going behind, more great chances were generated.

    It's just Mueller and co did not score them.
     
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  16. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Rangers
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think what we already know is this team is obviously not quite as good as the World Cup version - which also looked terrible in some games :D

    As usual everyone is dwelling on the attack - but the issues are at the back.
     
  17. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What makes me a little bit angry is that most players and Löw said they think they made a good game but just couldnt score. Hilarious! Although Löw admits that there is this one game from time to time when they dont seem to care about scoring on those many chances we get.
     
  18. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm not entirely sure how this team is not quite as good. The personnel has remained mostly unchanged, with the exception of FB, which was a weakness during the WC as well, and the addition of Bellarabi, Ilklay and Reus, all of whom are net positives on this team IMO.
     
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  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Rangers
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The defense over this qualifying has been terrible.

    I realise it was also not great at the World Cup either. What I did like about the World Cup side is eventually a very powerful midfield 3 was discovered - although they then ended up not playing the final.

    I tend to agree this team is somewhat more balanced if Reus is in form - as then there is a genuine world class high volume shooter to balance with Mueller.

    Anyway - a one nil loss away to the Irish is nothing to panic over.
     
  20. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The defence was always terrible in qualifying, though, that just seems to be how Loew rolls these days. Remember the 4-4 draw to Sweden? I would speculate that Loew lets the defensive posture of the team get very lacksadasical during friendlies and qualifying before tightening up in tournaments, so as to not wear out his team.
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Rangers
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes - i do agree with that. And this qualifying group has a number of decent teams

    The real issue of course was the bungled earlier rounds - but win the last game and none of that matters.

    The big positives are the re-emergence of Gundo (given the decline of Schweini) and the ongoing development of Mueller into a genuine superstar.

    I think the main concern is still whether Kroos at CM is workable defensively - plus the fullbacks
     
  22. Dage

    Dage Member+

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #72 Dage, Oct 9, 2015
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2015
    If the penalty area is packed like yesterday you need a more consequent play over the wings and fast paced flat crosses to the center. Also you need to increase the number of shots from outside of the penalty area. To dribble or combine through the center was useless most of the time and it would've been lucky to score this way.

    Somebody like Gomez could probably help in a situation like yesterday but isn't needed desperately. You just need to adapt the style of play.
     
  23. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    I saw a stat that showed Germany had one shot on target - Boateng's.
     
  24. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Rangers
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yes.

    e.g. Mueller putting it wide with the goal at his mercy

    I believe that was a so called big chance in opta terma
     
  25. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    You can draw a conclusion from the overall performance of the qualification - dominate possession, lacking finishing touch with defense that feels will concede a goal with every attack. Yes, the team does not put in the effort in friendlies but always does in qualifications. If you look at the NT's qualification history, they rarely lose 1 game, let alone 2 .
     

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