Euro 2016 Qualification Thread.

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by DRB300, Jul 14, 2014.

  1. JC-14

    JC-14 Member+

    Jan 28, 2010
    Amsterdam
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Yes, and I say that we don't. ;)
     
  2. KGOranje

    KGOranje Member

    Nov 13, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Okay. You should have put a comma after the word "argue".
    Sorry for the grammar Nazism.
     
  3. JC-14

    JC-14 Member+

    Jan 28, 2010
    Amsterdam
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    We prefer Wijnaldum and Klaassen. Cause:

    sigh
     
    TFC Ajax and Rinus127 repped this.
  4. JC-14

    JC-14 Member+

    Jan 28, 2010
    Amsterdam
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I don't think so. But I don't mind being corrected if I'm wrong.
     
  5. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    So I have some questions for you all:

    Who will you cheer for in Euro 2016?

    Will any of you go to France just to enjoy the tournament?

    Do you think any dutch players might go to france to observe?
     
  6. JC-14

    JC-14 Member+

    Jan 28, 2010
    Amsterdam
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Belgium, no, don't care.
     
  7. Rinus127

    Rinus127 Member

    Sep 8, 2015
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    This debacle is ultimately a blessing in disguise : people begin to open their eyes. Yes , football is primarily a physical play. I kill myself to say it but our main problem is the lack of intensity in the matches of the national team. I see the same problem at Ajax and in our national youth teams. We too wanted to emulate the standards of Spanish football. The Germans were smarter : they were able to advance their young players technically while keeping their good old basic. Germany and France are the models for hope return to success . And it's not a matter of size and weight of the players. Verratti and Clasie have the same style of play. But the Italian is superior in terms of resistance to impact.
     
  8. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Actually most of my family lives in Italy and are fan of the country. They will cheer for Italy obviously. Best for Dutch football is Belgium winning it. Creates most momentum to respond in a strong way. Of course we must be motivated to get it right fast ourselves, but some external triggers can speed things up. I remember when we missed out on 2002 and I could watch each game without any self interest bar South Korea, who were coached by Hiddink. That was fun to watch as the nation went crazy with each game they won.

    People always assume it is all more fun to have a horse in the race (often true), but I actually also enjoy to not have one in the race and watch purely the football. 2002 is a tournament I remember clearly and had great fun watching, even without my NT participating.
     
  9. Rinus127

    Rinus127 Member

    Sep 8, 2015
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    There is no attention to duel strength , players learn not to fight. It just goes to possession. The way Orangedefended is unbelievable at this level.
     
  10. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    What gave you that impression?
     
  11. KGOranje

    KGOranje Member

    Nov 13, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Probably because you write really aggressively about the subject, in addition to sayings like "we are not even a noob team". Passion I guess?
    Nothing personal of course :)
     
  12. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    This is what I mean with Mussert and Moscow. You want to move away from the current trend of anti football, think another camp will represent that position and then you learn they accentuate things like physique. Like that is the way forward.

    This country deserves to be where it is. For it's stupidity. If the discourse sucks in a country, expect to suffer in the end on the field as well. We play scared control U football and then another camp comes in and want more physique. Like what we currently see represents football in any way. Jan van Halst is also pushing for the physique agenda. Gijp and probably more.

    I think it might take a while before we get to see proper football.
     
  13. Rinus127

    Rinus127 Member

    Sep 8, 2015
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    It is you who says silly things this time . We have to play like Borussia Dortmund and Real Madrid , but to do so we need better prepared players to the demands of modern football .
     
  14. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Passion certainly, but I can't remember ever to have claimed that those countries have better player material. That being said, if a country has better player material and gets 1 point out of a possible 18 against them (Iceland, the Czech and Turkey) then you are a team that is beyond noob levels. With the emphasis on team. Apparently the synergy, the ability to work together, the (defensive) organisation and the spirit is so bad, that it could not accumulate more than 1 point in all those games. A point only achieved in the last minutes and at home. We could not even get back from a 0-2 scoreline at half time against 10 men in a do or die match. An absolute disgrace.

    Just to be clear. The other thread I started about Netherlands being the new Hungary is not my opinion, but is a provocative title to get the debate started, which was very successful if you look at the amount of posts it contains. It does not mean that is my opinion. I sometimes think you might take it very literal. It is a way to get people geared up to share higher quality opinions and make a thread that is worth reading, advancing peoples ideas. More coming from that place.
     
  15. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Apparently I have to explain the difference between endurance and physique.
     
  16. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    No Verratti is also just a better player. Same style, yes, but Clasie is a poor mans Verratti and the reasons for that go far beyond than being able to resist impact.
     
  17. JC-14

    JC-14 Member+

    Jan 28, 2010
    Amsterdam
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  18. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Yep, but even a 'poor man's Verratti' would be more than welcome on this team. Clasie is still quite talented and young. Hopefully he can get over his injury struggles because he is exactly the type of midfielder we need.
     
  19. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I still don't know what he tried to do. Was it just a stupid mistake or did he want to head back to Zoet and do the exact same thing as Janmaat, which means that Hiddinks rage about the whole idea made 0 impact on the group or more specifically RVP.

    Anyway we have given the Czech enough presents this campaign. :thumbsup:
     
  20. thatkid

    thatkid Member

    Jun 21, 2010
    Netherlands
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    he wanted to head it back to Zoet. For the same reason as to why Janmaat dit it. I have actually seen RVP do this before a few times, but with a little more success.

    I know it was an own goal, but still.. I like it for the symbolism. :p
     
  21. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I am happy I was on the bandwagon from the start. One of the few players that can speed our game up, though with the NT there have been some games he did the opposite. Maybe the nerves.

    On another note. I saw Sinkrgaven with U21 and I am sorry to say ( I know he is your pet project), but he looked a bit lost. Of course he does not get much playing time lately with Ajax, but it does not look like he is bouncing back strongly with the minutes he gets in such a game to prove a point. Hope he can get out of it and start improving again.
     
  22. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Yeah I know. I feel bad for Sinkgraven on one hand but it's his own fault on the other. I mean it's hard to resist the allure of going to a club like Ajax over Heerenveen, but it wasn't good for his development (especially that clown de Boer). The truth is he has all the talent and skill (on and off the ball) and a good mind for the game, good work ethic etc. but he is not in a healthy situation for him to develop right now, IMO. Sinkgraven could be a big boon for the Netherlands if he does find his way out of the funk though.

    Also Clasie not looking so good at times with the NT I think is just a product of the coaching and structure they have in place more than his fault.
     
  23. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Yeah both where his career is at the moment (on the bench with Fener) and the last goal we conceded in this campaign.
     
  24. Italy-Azzurri-Fan

    Nov 15, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    LOL I hate Belgium. I hope Belgium and Spain don't advance from the group stages, but I suppose it will be hard because now technically if you are one of the best 4 third placed you still advance. Maybe Round of 16 though.
     
  25. Laurent75

    Laurent75 Member

    Aug 2, 2014
    #2875 Laurent75, Oct 14, 2015
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2015
    The worst thing is when people start to say "we should select Bazoer instead of
    Clasie", or "we should select Propper instead of Klaassen" etc .etc.
    There is NO big difference of level between our current players. Only a difference of positions and skills. It's not as if we were ignoring some Barca, Real or Bayern players...Instead of talking about invidual performances and who should be called and who shouldn't, just go to wikipedia and type "netherlands football team", then you'll have a nice overview about the last squads and the clubs our players are playing for. Now tell me if we ever had such a poor squad ? I'm not a specialist of the 80's but I think that we had more players playing for big clubs even when we were missing 82,84, 86...Not sure about it but it's sure that we're watching the weakast dutch team since 1988.

    We simply cannot pretend to be better than the middle european teams anymore. We don't produce better players than they do anymore. Our players play for N'castle, Southampton and Ajax, Czech players play for Werder, Stuttgart or Sparta Prague...Is there any big difference between those clubs ? Of course no.

    Looking at the poor results dutch clubs had last decade, we could see this coming. How many times did Ajax or Feyenoord lose to clubs like Sparta Prague with a lot of dutch players in the line-up ? Did anybody think that those same players would beat the same czech players once they're wearing a orange shirt ? Lol.
    It was obvious that Robben, Sneijder, RVP would stop one day and we'll need to replace them, now we're playing with eredivisie and sub english clubs players and we obviously can't have the same results anymore.

    I'm actually very pessimistic for 2018, even if we finish above Sweden and Bulgaria,who knows who we'll play against during the play off if we finish 2nd ? Half of the european teams aren't inferior to us anymore. Just take Wales or Ireland for example. We are happy to have some young PL players, their whole line up is composed of experienced PL players. Why should we win against them ?

    + these teams have learned how to compensate their lack of technical quality by playing with a big physical engagement while we keep playing our soft possession football with mediocre quality players.

    To sum up : We don't have better players than them, and they know how to use their players better than we do, it's exactly what we saw against Czech, Turkey and Iceland.
     

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