Euro 2016 - Everyone but us.

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by JC-14, Jun 10, 2016.

  1. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member

    Apr 5, 2005
    When Griezmann converted the PK, it made me remember and wonder what could happen if Frank De Boer converted the 1st PK vs Italy in 2000. Pressure would be off and we could have won our 2nd Euro. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!
     
  2. Rinus127

    Rinus127 Member

    Sep 8, 2015
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Griezmann is a fantastic player. What a talent. He reminds me Del Piero. The Germans played well but they suffer the lack of vitesse and inspiration in the last 25 meters. They miss a Robben.
     
  3. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    He was judged too small and no French club wanted him. Took his talent to Real Sociedad and then to Athletico. The rest is history!!
     
  4. Laurent75

    Laurent75 Member

    Aug 2, 2014
    germany suffers from the spanish syndrom, beautiful football but doesnt hurt the opponent. Can t find shooting positions or last passes in the last meters. Belgium also suffered from it .

    This reminds how important it is to have good dribbling wingers like Robben. Teams abuse of midfielders playing as inverted wingers now like Ozil or Hazard and it makes them look less threatening upfront. You need to have players able to go in 1vs1 situations using speed.

    This was a good lesson tonight. Even a mediocre technical player like Sissoko gave more problems to the german defence with his speed and power than the german fake wingers gave to the french ones.

    I believe Germany could be more dangerous with Reus.
     
  5. Oranje98

    Oranje98 Member

    Aug 8, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Unfortunately, No new Robben seems to appear in the next dutch generation. Promes? ElGhazi? Bergwijn?
    Talented young lads but not as speedy as Arjen.
     
  6. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    This is what I find strange about Germany, they have never really produced many speedy wingers like a Robben, Overmars, Zenden or vdKerkhof brothers.

    The only recent guy who comes to mind is Odonkor, but he was never really that good
     
  7. barcaq8

    barcaq8 Member

    Jul 14, 2014
    Camp Nou, Barcelona
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Im really missing Holland in this tournment. Total football should be back.
     
  8. Rinus127

    Rinus127 Member

    Sep 8, 2015
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    You dream my friend. Do not have a short memory. The Dutch have too many gaps, especially defensively. Without the ball, the Dutch players are amateurs, they do not know well positioned. Germany would beat us clearly. We could not resist their pressure and their physical impact. As the Dutch players will continue to leave spaces in midfield, we will only succeed no good. Our last friendly against France showed, also, that we were far inferior to the French. I wonder if we would be able to overcome the Portuguese grinta.
    That being said, I think we should look at the game plan of France. Wijnaldum can be used as Sissokho. I see Robben occupy the same role as Griezmann. Jansse will play center forward as Giroud. Promes be our Payet. Strootman and Bazoer (or Blind) play as pivots. In defense I see: Janmaat (Tete) -Bruma-Van Dijk-Willems.
     
  9. DRB300

    DRB300 Member+

    Sep 21, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Don't think Orange14 was that serious to be honest ;)
     
  10. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I agree but Reus was hurt. They also don't have a reliable striker. Mario Gomez would not have made a difference last night as he's really too slow. The player that stood out for me was the young defender from France, Umbitti (don't know if I've spelled it right) who was playing in only his second game for France according to the commentary. Really good ball skills and knew exactly how to position himself.

    I wonder if Löw is going to stay on as manager. He's had a good run but maybe it's time for someone else to take over.
     
  11. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I expect the teams I support to win every single match!!!! That is what anyone who is delusional about there team should do. I have to confess however that I am often disappointed!!!:eek: IMO, van Gaal could have put together a team that was quite competitive assuming Arjen Robben was healthy.

    Maybe we wouldn't win the Euros but we still have a group of players that collectively could be molded into a nice team that would have given every other team in the tournament trouble. I've watched maybe 70% of all the matches and I don't think there was any team other than Italy was totally outstanding. They were the one squad that really put things together despite the obvious gaps up front. I don't think France would have defeated Italy as the Italian defense is just too difficult to solve. Too bad Pelle and Zaza were such jokers at the penalty spot.
     
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  12. Rinus127

    Rinus127 Member

    Sep 8, 2015
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Nice public relationship ploy. Also that was part of the revamp.
     
  14. Rinus127

    Rinus127 Member

    Sep 8, 2015
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    After the beautiful Spanish and German years , this is the time of courage and street football : Atletico, Leicester, and in this Euro , France and Portugal. The weaker beats stronger with courage, work. This is the trend.
     
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  15. How much do we have to fear from the French in our quali campaign? They have shown weakness and strength.
     
  16. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member

    Apr 5, 2005
    Robben > Payet and Promes > Griezmann perhaps?
     
  17. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Too bad CR7 comes off with what looks like ligament injury. Portugal had a good final 10 minutes in the half. France needs to get an early goal as the longer this goes on 0-0 their confidence will drop.
     
  18. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I hope Deschamps stays on as manager of France since he is such rubbish in terms of tactics. With him running things, Dutch can beat them.
     
  19. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Lol, with a half decent manager Holland could have won this as well.
     
  20. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    ^^quite right!! I think this was one of the most boring tournaments that I've ever seen. The only team that played above it's ability was Italy and they just could not get it done of the spot. Not a single match was really outstanding.
     
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  21. Laurent75

    Laurent75 Member

    Aug 2, 2014
    Terrible Euro, the fact a player of Lille scores the winning goal says enough.
     
  22. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member

    Apr 5, 2005
    I couldn't watch live, but did not know the result so I watch recorded program. I was wrong. This France team is not like Netherlands in 2000, but like Portugal in 2004, and Portugal proabably learned well from 2004 lesson. Perhaps Messi could learn from Ronaldo, next time do not play the final, let his teammates win it for him.
    I agree that the quality of this tournament is not that great, perhaps one of the poorest, if not the worst. UEFA needs to go back to 24 teams.
    It is time for us to focus on WC 2018 qualification. This France team is still tough to beat. We will see....
     
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  23. richsavare

    richsavare Member

    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Football is weird Portugal play negative for the most part and win tournament with the Great Ronaldo injured.
    Back in 2002 World Cup of fatigue Portugal fail and 2004 Portugal much stronger teams lose in Final to horrible, negative, anti football Greece
    Makes little sense but simply put it is what it is.
    Overall this expanded Euro was piss poor as expected with many weak negative teams who had no business playing in the tournament.
    For me it rivaled the World Cup 2002 Finals for bad play. Ironically no Oranje in either event.
     
  24. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Yes the tournament as a whole sucked, but I thought the final was pretty good.

    At the beginning I wanted Ronaldo to lose, but then when he got injured I was happy he won
     
  25. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I think this tournament did have 24 teams.:D
     

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