Erik Palmer-Brown at Austria Wien: no wiener jokes because it's pronounced "veen"

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by BostonRed, Jan 24, 2014.

  1. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even if I don't believe the million dollars being floated, a deal like this wouldn't make sense for KC. 250K isn't enough money for KC to absolutely bind themselves to sell the kid 2 years from now. It's peanuts. The guy shows well at the u-20's next year (if he made it), and he would be worth factors more than that. It just doesn't make sense. If this were a million or more, I would put more credence in this. 250K? No way. That would be very bad business. KC doesn't strike me as having a foolish front office.
     
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  2. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    It'd be cool to see them playing on the first team, not on their youth teams. Definate distinction.
     
  3. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    This gets into an entirely different topic, but I think the sooner our players get over to Europe the more likely they are to latch on to a European club. Europe is where the best competition lies.
     
  4. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    All of Europe isn't the same. Path to first team football is more important to me than anything European.
     
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  5. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
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    FC Bayern München
    And that debate can go for many many pages ;)

    I'd rather have our players develop amongst the best coaches, players, facilities in their age group in the world instead of the MLS, but you're more then entitled to your opinion
     
  6. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    You're grouping all of Europe as one. There are many levels to European football. It also comes down to what's the best path to quality playing time, and that doesn't always happen in Europe. There is an element of just mass development where numbers win out. Palmer-Brown would just be a number and not as a commodity to be developed. Sink or swim on your own mentality. Sometimes playing in MLS is just better for a player no matter if Juventus or Chelsea want you. They look to buy the world's best and dismiss prospects coming up the ranks, They jump right over them.
     
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  7. ielag

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  8. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Yup but I would like our players to not shy from competition and have confidence that they can beat out others. Other Americans overseas are excelling at many big clubs, Barbir, Pelosi, Green, etc. et.c

    I know Europe has many different levels...Scotland is not the Bundesliga.
     
  9. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Its not excelling until its on the First Team.
     
  10. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Well that's your own opinion of the word "excelling"

    I think someone like Caleb Stanko, the captain of Freiburg's U-23 team, a guy who is rumored to be nearing first team minutes is much much more impressive then playing on an MLS team for the sake of getting minutes. Because if the guy ends up a solid Bundesliga player then that can pay massive dividends down the road for the USMNT. That, imo, is excelling. And yes, many American youths have "excelled" (in your own definition) and some pretty sizeable clubs.

    - Stanko has practiced with Freiburg's senior team and travelled with them in Europa competition
    - JAB and Hertha Berlin
    - Green and Bayern Munich
    - Rubin and FC Utrecht
    - Chandler and N'berg

    etc. etc.
     
  11. Brown Shark

    Brown Shark Member

    Feb 8, 2013
    Upstate NY
    Rubin can't move to Utrecht full time till March. The other are German born and raised, just happen to have an American passport. Four odd ones to pick to make your point.
     
  12. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Yup but it was never clarified that they have to be American born - I'm not sure why their ethnicity matters...Rubio will sign, I believe I saw, on March 1.
     
  13. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    'rumored to be nearing first team minutes' is now excelling at Freiberg. Now I've heard it all.
    That's like kinda possibly probably going to be on the first team soon at some point in the near future.
     
  14. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Well this is your definiton of 'excelling'...I view 'excelling' in a much different light. But there are still players 'excelling' that young according to your definition...Eric Lichaj, Junior Flores, etc.

    I know you are a big MLS fan, and probably prefer most talent to stay home, but it's 10x's easier going from Europe (if things dont work out) to the MLS then it is to go from the MLS to Europe. If you get a good offer from a European club as a soccer player, and it seems like it could be a good fit for developmental purposes, then you strongly consider it (in my opinion).
     
  15. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's called a Lletget.
     
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  16. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It matters in the context of this discussion because they are NOT players that would be leaving home to be in Europe. They are born Europeans. They have European passports that make movement much simpler and reduces the risks that some European teams would have to take in signing them. They are playing in their home league. That's completely different than the situation that EPB finds/would find himself in, under your preferred scenario. Apples to plantains.
     
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  17. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

    Jul 21, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    that's totally fine, but there are also young American born players that are "excelling" at big clubs (Flores, Lichaj, Rubin, Stanko etc.) ...I just have a different view of what excelling is
     
  18. derek750

    derek750 Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No disrespect intended to the players or their current teams but in what way do Nottingham Forest (out of the top flight for over a decade), FC Utrecht (8th in the all-time Eredivisie table), and SC Freiburg (a yo-yo team in Germany) qualify as "big clubs"?
     
  19. ckl26

    ckl26 Member+

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    FC Bayern München
    #69 ckl26, Jan 24, 2014
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    I think the conversation transitioned to whether younger American born players can stake their claim over in Europe or not. I think they can and shouldn't shy away from potential competition that they otherwise wouldn't probably see in the MLS. Just my two cents :)
     
  20. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    Fair enough. My alternate view is that there is competition in the US that they shouldn't shy away from either and depending on specifics is better for a player to compete, blossom, and get first team minutes which benefits him rather than to blindly 'just go to Europe' under any circumstance. Some situations in Europe are better than MLS others are not.
     
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  21. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    With that definition of excelling I can contend that Erik Palmer Brown is excelling, Wil Trapp is excelling, Deandre Yedlin is excelling. I am not a blind fan of MLS but rather an objective viewer of events and know that everything Europe is not better. Your last line is a fairer view. If that good offer is good for you personally as a player I agree go to Europe, I just think many times 'good' offer is sometimes defined as 'any' offer.
     
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  22. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I am rumored to be dating Mila Kunis
     
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  23. SUDano

    SUDano Member+

    Jan 18, 2003
    Rochester, NY
    You must be 'excelling' on the dating scene.
     
  24. Parmigiano

    Parmigiano Member

    Jun 20, 2003
    Yank kid in Torino?

    Not sure that always turns out so well.
     
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  25. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even Gabe Ferrari at Sampdoria (who actually made the bench for Serie A matches and played in a cup match at just 18)
     
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