PBP: EPL - West Ham United FC vs Manchester United FC - Sep 22, 2019 [R]

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Manchester United
    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Krolva District (クロルバ区)
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    [​IMG] vs [​IMG]

    Competition: English Premier League
    Venue: London Stadium
    Time: 14:00 (BST), 09:00 (EST)
    Channels: Sky Sports Premier League(UK), Sky Sports Main Event(UK), MUTV(UK), NBCSN(US), Telemundo Deportes en vivo(US), Telemundo(US), DAZN(Canada), RUSH(JA), SuperSport 3 Africa(Zambia), SuperSport Maximo(Zambia)

    West Ham injuries: Reid (unfit), Masuaku (red card), Antonio (hamstring), Xande Silva (abdominal)
    Manchester United injuries: Bailly (knee), Shaw (hamstring), Pogba (ankle), James (knock), Martial (knock)

    West Ham last 6: L-D-W-W-W-D
    Manchester United last 6: W-D-L-D-W-W

    West Ham league standing:
    8th
    Manchester United league standing: 4th

    West Ham last result:
    0-0 home draw with Aston Villa (EPL)
    Manchester United last result: 1-0 home win over FK Astana (UEL)

    Last League Encounter:
    2-1 home win at Old Trafford (Apr 2019)

    West Ham last starting XI (4-1-4-1):

    Fabianski(c), Fredricks, Ogbonna, Diop, Masuaku, Rice, Yarmolenko, Noble(c), Lanzini, Anderson, Haller

    Manchester United last starting XI (4-2-3-1):
    Romero, Dalot, Tuanzebe, Jones, Rojo, Matić(c), Fred, Gomes, Chong, Greenwood, Rashford

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    let's see if the Frenchmen return. we'll need them and a much better showing than the last time we played them.

    let's get it
     
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  2. Rooney20

    Rooney20 Member+

    Jan 8, 2007
    New York
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Per Stone, Pogba, Shaw and Tony all out for this one.
     
  3. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Another time, another place
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    #4 johno, Sep 20, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2019
    If as has been suggested, Martial, Pogba, James and Shaw are both going to be absent, this is what I'd like to see:

    --------------Rashford--------------------------------Greenwood
    --------------------------------------Lingard
    ---------------------Fred-----------------------------Pereira
    -----------------------------------McTominay
    Rojo-------------------------------------------------------------------Wan Bissaka
    -------------------Maguire--------------------Lindelof
    -------------------------------------DeGea

    Marcus isn't in a great vein of form, but the freedom to drift wide and to cut in from the flank may be helpful for him. it will be a test for Mason but split striker is a good fit for him. He's a tweener in any case and a role where he can take on a fb or a CB or look for space in between them suits him to the ground. Jesse (much maligned though he is) will be the glue, keeping us ticking over and ensuring there's movement when we've got the ball and purpose to our press when off it.

    Scott would be better in the 6/8 role rather than the 6 but I think if he wants to drive forward, both Fred and Adreas can sit for him and playing him central will help if Haller drops deep. He's way too physical for Fred or Andreas to deal with and AP can provide width on the right in transition or when Greenwood comes inside.

    I pray to god we don't play Matic, Young and Mata from the start, but part of me thinks that's exactly what we'll see.


    EDIT:

    if we can't get Axel minutes at CB against top opposition, I want to see him get some minutes at DM. I'd rather Axel on the pitch than Matic.
     
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  5. Futbol_Head

    Futbol_Head Member+

    Manchester United
    Aug 18, 2007
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like the look of that^


    This will be a tough one for us, so vital to keep the momentum going though.
     
  6. jeff070

    jeff070 Member+

    Dec 31, 2004
    PA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Lebanon
    I don't like Lingard there.
     
  7. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    False 9 or AM/SS w/ 2 mobile attackers flanking or ahead of him is probably his best role. If we had proper width from fullbacks or even one dominant fullback, it could be a very viable plan B.

    Jesse's possibly the best mover off the ball in our team and easily one of our better decision makers in the final third. He's also good at interplay and he's a good finisher. He's an elite presser and tactically astute enough to know when to push beyond, when to drop off or when to push the channel, making room for a run from out to in or when to be an outlet vs when to drop all the way back and get a few touches on the ball.

    Most importantly, Martial is the closest thing we have to a 9 and even he benefits from being able to drift in the space allowed to a split forward as opposed to a nominal 9. The same is more true for Rashford, James et al.
     
  8. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Not for a long while;

     
  9. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Another time, another place
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #9 Ashur, Sep 21, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2019
    Looks like James is back in training. Would definitely have him start if he proves fit and ready to go. It's likely that West Ham will be in the front foot for this one and have most of the possession. Thus giving us opportunities to hit them on the counter.
    --------------------------------Dave
    -------Wan-Bissaka---Lindelöf---Maguire---AY
    ------------------Fred---McTominay---AP
    ----------------Lingard---Rashford---James
    Would be tempted to start Greenwood for this one but, given the likely circumstances, we need to go with speed and superior pressing ability. That's why Rashford and Lingard get the nod for this one. Provided that the defense holds, it's really not out of the realm of possibility to get a positive result in this game.
     
  10. giggs88

    giggs88 Member

    May 11, 2003
    Virginia
    watch ole start him tomorrow.
     
  11. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Another time, another place
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #11 Ashur, Sep 21, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 21, 2019
    Travelling/provisional squad: De Gea, Romero, Grant, Wan-Bissaka, AY, Lindelof, Rojo, Jones, Tuanzebe, Maguire, Matic, Fred, AP, McTominay, Mata, Gomes, Lingard, Rashford, Chong, James.

    No Greenwood included.
     
  12. Naboomagnoli

    Naboomagnoli Member+

    May 31, 2007
    Got the full 90 I'm guessing is the reasoning. But now we literally have 1 striker in the squad.
     
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  13. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Manchester United
    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Krolva District (クロルバ区)
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    an out of form one at that
     
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  14. Futbol_Head

    Futbol_Head Member+

    Manchester United
    Aug 18, 2007
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Start Gomes or gtfo
     
  15. jnielsen

    jnielsen Member

    May 12, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Do you like him in a box? Do you like him with a fox?
     
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  16. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    get his xG chain numbers or xA and then tell me something. Even better, look at his pressures and pressure regains. People think the only way to be creative is to make a flashy pass to open up the field or to make the last pass before a goal. Jesse is the guy who is always in a good position to move the ball on quickly in the attacking third.

    The same way you’d expect Pogba and to a lesser extent Matic (players progressing the ball from deep with passes) to feature heavily in a compilation of Rashford goal scoring chances, I’d expect JL and JM would be all over the build up for goals from Martial.
     
  17. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yes, goals and assist are a bit of an artificial stat for a #10 and 12 months is a very low sample period :)
     
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  18. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Manchester United
    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Krolva District (クロルバ区)
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    i've never thought of Lingard as a 10
     
  19. MizzouMUFC

    MizzouMUFC Member+

    Apr 10, 2010
    Places
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Probably because 10 is traditionally a creative position and Jesse possesses zero creativity.
     
  20. Sofabloke

    Sofabloke Member+

    Dec 24, 2003
    Mu
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    If he is not a RWF (in a 433) and he is not a #10 (in Ole current 4231) and given we dont play him as an #8 in a midfield 3, what is he?

    With our current striker output, do we have room as starters for advanced players who don't provide a final pass or some goals?
     
  21. United 16

    United 16 Member+

    Manchester United
    Mar 25, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
     
  22. United 16

    United 16 Member+

    Manchester United
    Mar 25, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
     
  23. MizzouMUFC

    MizzouMUFC Member+

    Apr 10, 2010
    Places
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Wow that front 6 is garbage.
     
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  24. Ashur

    Ashur Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    May 31, 2015
    Another time, another place
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. Ruud v.Nistelrooy 10

    Staff Member

    Manchester United
    Jamaica
    Jun 4, 2006
    Krolva District (クロルバ区)
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    some kind of tucked in wide man or roaming mid but he's definitely not a 10. never has been for me. don't know why he's played there
     

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