English players Dual Nationality thread

Don't be a prick.

 

I agree but I guess the counter argument is the British Legion is a charity there to support veterans who themselves have suffered. The poor kid from Liverpool or Staffs who was serving in N.Ireland or Iraq isn't the fella making the decisions, the guys making the political decisions were graduating Oxford (after being at Eton) with a 2:1 in PPE, at the same age some of these solders were losing legs and friends. The British Legion are a great charity, I find it a great shame their symbol has been co-opted. It's the seemingly compulsory nature of the poppy I find most disturbing. I think it's only a matter of time until the the Argentine players refuse to wear the symbol en masse as would be their right. The Stoke fans chanting to McClean that he is a Fenian **** is not right, my surname is Donnelly, I'm not Irish but I'm more Irish than Declan Rice and that sort of behaviour makes me very uncomfortable.

 

Top quality flame baiting, old school

 

I'm not , I'm being accurate. I don't think having someone persistently posting on an England fans football thread gripes about having too many black kids and not enough white kids in english squads and academy teams, whilst occasionally trying to dress it up as something else is doing a lot for the credibility of this forum. The important thing is that players are being picked on merit, not racial background.

 

Meanwhile the FA have introduced an openly racist policy of hiring for certain coaching positions based on racial background, not merit.

 

Well, to be fair I kind of admire MON’s stance on not capping young players for the sake of it, just in order to cap tie them down unlike other Countries, like Wales

 

He has admitted in the recent squad selection that Jimmy Dunne & I think Michael Obafe mi had to be called up for this reason. May be wrong but sure I saw it quoted somewhere.

If so, seems like he had to change tact after the Rice affair.

 

Ok, well if that’s the case I take it all back and he’s no better than the Welsh.

 

Damn Irish and Welsh

 

Really interested to see how he does. I expect him to start for that German team.

So just a current check on players actually selected by other nations in England set-up

Eire
Declan Rice
Joe Hodge
Louie Barry
CJ Egan-Riley

Scotland
Lewis Fiorini
Karamoko Dembele (although this looks to have ended)

Wales
Brennan Johnson

Germany
Paul Glatzel
Felix Nmecha (not picked for either?)
Bright Akwo
Jamal Musiala

Netherlands
Noah Ohio
Malcolm Ebiowei

 

I think Felix Nmecha wasn't picked for Germany in Nov because he was called up for a camp in Oct but choose England.

those England friendlies were in mid-Oct, few days later on Oct 18, his brother Lukas said this.
"At the moment Felix has chosen to play for Germany at international level, while I’ve chosen England. We have both got time to decide to change if needs be but we are both happy with what we are doing."
https://www.lep.co.uk/sport/footbal...to-making-an-impression-at-deepdale-1-9402747

as for Glatzel he seems like an interesting prospect.

 

Dembele also played a friendly for Scotland U17s recently but hasn’t played a competitive game for them for a year or so.

 

Some additions from USA: Southampton's Vaughn Covil was with England U15 before being selected for USA U16, and Telstar's Kyle Scott was with England U16 before being selected for USA U18 and U20. And then the prospect the US is most interested in is Arsenal's Folarin Balogun, who was with England U17, USA U18, and now England U18.

 

Barry and Egan-Riley in the Eire victory shield squad.

 

Keanan Bennett’s brother?

https://www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=29980

 

Yeah he is.

 

Good prospect Juni? Can’t remember seeing him in any England Squads.

 

Also forgot Luis Binks for Scotland & Armstrong Okoflex for Eire.

Louie Barry just can't stop scoring.

Run... 🏃‍♂️
Flick... 👌
Finish... ⚽️

Wonderful finish from #IRLU16🇮🇪 striker Louie Barry in the 4-0 win over @FAWales! 👏👏

Full report & highlights ➡️ https://t.co/vPF6CuI0LZ #COYBIG pic.twitter.com/bFj6BOZ5Y7

— Ireland Football ⚽️🇮🇪 (@IrelandFootball) November 14, 2018

 

Limited viewing as he's at Watford but seems to have progressed well, can play both sides, decent at the very least.

 

Rabbi Matondo called up to the senior Welsh Squad. The Welsh are certainly the best at trying to expand their playing pool and trying to cap tie as many young players as possible. I know it’s only a friendly they play in but it’s still getting the youngsters integrated into there system, like Matondo despite only playing U23 football.

 

It'll do them good in terms of player pool but it feels to me somewhat of an abuse of the system how Wales try and get people at increasingly young ages with increasingly young training camps, then try and get them capped well before they're ready. It's not done with the players development at mind,, giving players that reward before they do anything to remotely deserve it is the kind of over rewarding academies need to be wary of. It's all rather cynical.

It must be disheartening for people who are actually Welsh in the under age set up who have to do much more to get capped than other players who get capped merely because they're English. Joe Rodon for example starts every week for Swansea and impresses but has yet to be capped.

In this battle England will do well to point out to dual nationals that Wales love making these new youngsters flavour of the month but once your in there's no guarantees of anything. Ben Woodburn was the next big thing a year ago now he's behind the next dual nationals who've come in to be capped after him.

 

I don't think Wales are doing anything wrong. There's no point in them calling up some lesser talented league one or league two player, just out of principle. Matondo is one of their best prospects so it makes sense to get them involved early. Like with England, the lack of opportunities for HG players in the PL hits the other home nations hard, even harder. We're having to look at Championship players, of course it's only natural for them to be looking at guys before they break through.

All countries are starting to do it. There's no point in putting arbitrary rules on who can play for the International side if it means you're giving chances to guys who are unlikely to be there in the long term.

Joe Rodon is in this squad so it's hardly like he's being neglected. Plus, Matondo is actually Welsh. I'm not sure if Wales have capped many players who weren't pretty much in their system from the start.

It's not much different to Ireland calling up Lee O'Connor. That's not some cynical ploy to cap tie him (not that he's eligible for anyone else), it's just that there's little reason to wait for him to pass some set senior appearance criteria. I'm sure Troy Parrott will be the same before we know it.

 

Yeah, in fairness his connection is much stronger than some - he's spent most of his life there.

 

Doesn't matter, none of these 'welsh' youngsters are a patch on the generation we have coming through