England U-20 Discussions Thread (2004 born)

Discussion in 'England' started by Jenks, Apr 4, 2015.

  1. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Also this paragraph doesn't paint a pretty picture

    “He has authority and behavioural problems, and we have to look at the bigger picture to find out the root cause. There was a time when it would have been seen as impossible for him to play professionally, let alone make it in the Premier League.

    Going to sound silly but I'm gonna presume that he has not been diagnosed with some kind of learning disability? Reminds me of my Nephew who has a learning disability ( ADD ) and is easier to understand and deal with once diagnosed.
     
  2. kent paul

    kent paul Member

    Jan 2, 2004
    england
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    He may have an introverted personality but that does not excuse his poor timekeeping, because if he can't do a simple thing as turn up on time, then that does bode well for his future.

    Because he strikes me as a kid who the game has always come easy to him, and probably from an early age he was always the stand out player at every level he played at, and just got by on his skill alone.

    But as we all know, ability can only get you so far, because unless you have the desire to make the most of it you will come up short. So unless he wakes up and smells the coffee, he will end up like Crowley and Morrison, playing in obscurity, and imo, I think that is where he will end up.
     
  3. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
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  4. David Hurford

    David Hurford Member

    West Ham
    England
    Jul 15, 2017
    #1704 David Hurford, Apr 15, 2018
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    Nice little video from A Bola on Chris Willock strutting his stuff for Benfica B: . Always loved watching him play but in some ways it makes me sad. I was so excited about this group. Remember these lads making fools of people at u16/u17 levels. And now we have Willock languishing in Portuguese lower divisions and Edwards looking like he doesn't have the mental capacities to be a top player. Yan Dhanda has been completely jettisoned from the England setup.
     
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  5. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Languishing is a bit harsh, he's a 20 year-old who's played nearly 2000 minutes in a men's professional league this season, at a club and in a country where development of talent is taken a bit more seriously than if he was to have been sent on loan to the Championship or League One. Arsenal's loan policy is highly dubious too, so there's no guaranteeing that if he'd have stayed he'd have been in a better position.

    He wasn't going to waltz into a good Benfica team and play immediately, his first season has gone pretty well tbh.
     
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  6. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    England U20 Player minutes in the PL ('97 born)

    Lewis Cook - AFC Bournemouth - 1968
    Dominic Calvert-Lewin - Everton - 1842
    Joe Gomez - Liverpool - 1720
    Tammy Abraham - Swansea City ( Chelsea ) - 1609
    Jonjoe Kenny - Everton - 1588
    Marcus Rashford - Manchester United - 1478
    Ainsley Maitland-Niles - Arsenal - 664
    Aaron Wan-Bissaka - Crystal Palace - 538
    Dominic Solanke - Liverpool - 475
    Isaiah Brown - Brighton ( Chelsea ) - 306
    Josh Sims - Southampton - 159
    Ademola Lookman - Everton - 152
    Hamza Choudhury - Leicester City - 145
    Kyle Walker-Peters - Tottenham Hotspur - 98
    Jack Simpson - AFC Bournemouth - 72
    Axel Tuanzebe - Manchester United - 1
     
  7. The Potter

    The Potter Member+

    Aug 26, 2004
    England
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Some decent talent here. Though if Tuanzebe only has 1 minute one has to wonder if some real talents aren't playing at all.
     
  8. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Harvey Barnes made his Premier League debut today. Only 3 minutes though.
     
  9. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    FWIW - Liverpool's Yan Dhanda (remember him) managed to get a transfer to Swansea City.
     
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  10. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Not really surprised at this but where next for Edwards?? He really needs a good move this Summer and needs regular first team football somewhere. Personally think he needs a move abroad as will suit his playing style more, if he goes to a Championship Club I fear he will just get bullied physically and not get much playing time.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...er?CMP=share_btn_tw&__twitter_impression=true
     
  11. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    I am afraid Edwards is all but finished, at least no one expects here that he redeems his talent. I know he is young but his mentality seems like a big problem.
     
  12. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Wouldn't write him off completely. He's still 19 and loads of lads with problems as kids ended up making it. If he joins a lesser side and actually gets some game time, who knows what will happen. Find it hard to judge him when he's just not playing at all.
     
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  13. kbarrett2316

    kbarrett2316 Member

    Feb 20, 2016
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Quite a strange one - Mackenzie Heaney (1999) has today signed for Newcastle Benfield, who play in the Northern Football League Division One.
     
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  14. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Likely a temporary move to stay fit and ready for a bigger move later in the window, he'll have the freedom for that, though I don't actually think he's that good.
     
  15. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    It's a bit worrying how big the drop off is with the talent from the North East. Most vanish off the face of the earth after the age of about 18. I'm not expecting every player who plays for England in the underage teams to make it to the PL and the Senior side but players like Dan Wright + Bradley Fewster and loads more before them only go one way after lingering in the U23s for years. Even someone like Conor Ripley who is doing alright for himself in L1, is overweight and looks like a mid 30 pub player already.
     
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  16. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    There is certainly an issue of what happens to them after U18 football. Like you say they seem to pad their U23 squads with these players to compete for a title and then eventually release them. Saying that I'm trying to think of one North East player that isn't a centre back that has impressed for England at U16, U17 or U19 level?
     
  17. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Adam Armstrong.

    (Never been my favourite player but he has at least impressed)
     
  18. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Yeah, he did pretty well, especially at U17 level.
     
  19. kbarrett2316

    kbarrett2316 Member

    Feb 20, 2016
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Interestingly, Paul Woolston was amongst the twenty(!) U23 players released by Newcastle (plus an additional five U18s). As were Kyle Cameron and Alex Gilliead, who all represented England at youth level at some point. Of course, that's not a guarantee they'll go onto have a career at their club but it solidifies JRSG's point about players lingering in the U23s. Seems like the majority of players at the majority of clubs elsewhere in the country don't face the same problem.

    On the topic of Woolston - despite him being a 98 (though technically he could still be eligible for this thread) I thought he was a decent enough goalkeeper. Not the best and probably unlikely to overtake Woodman but I thought it was pointless of Newcastle to keep other goalkeepers such as Brendan Pearson (who was also released) and Nathan Harker around when they had Woolston and Otto Huuhtanen ready to step up from the U18s.

    Considering essentially 90% of their U23s have gone I'd expect they'd be recruiting heavily this summer. Perhaps they'd identify players who are on the international radar but not the "bigger" names - for example Cole Dasilva or Sadou Diallo, who were both other international (although Cole is with Wales) 1999s released this summer. Would then be interesting to see if they go onto make the first team there, breaking the trend somewhat.

    But yeah, can't say I'm too confident with the pathway at the club.
     
  20. dbs235

    dbs235 Member

    Mar 30, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Do we reckon Woomdan is good enough to be Newcastle's number 1? Would be a huge shame if he doesn't make it in my opinion. But Newcastle don't seem interested so far.
     
  21. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Has anyone seen anything about them having another edition of the U20 Elite League or was it a one off?
     
  22. David Hurford

    David Hurford Member

    West Ham
    England
    Jul 15, 2017
    Imho he is. And ive always felt that. I think its backed up by his performances for england in the u20 and toulon and his loan at aberdeen. He needs to leave but he will be a prem / england keeper one day
     
  23. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Fixture pages on the Dutch, German and Czech FA pages suggest so.

    https://repre.fotbal.cz/tym/terminy/3
     
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  24. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
  25. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    A fresh start in a new country would probably be perfect for him. It would force him to come out of his shell, there'd be no hiding out there.
     

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