England U-20 Discussions Thread (2004 born)

Discussion in 'England' started by Jenks, Apr 4, 2015.

  1. Rabbi Keane

    Rabbi Keane Member

    Aug 13, 2003
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Last time England took part there were some now big names in there, in Kane, Barkley, Dier etc. That team came dead last in their group, having drawn a lot of their games.
    Comparing the two squads I'd say the big difference is that there was a lot of dross in that team as well - while the strenght of the champions is the overall quality from everyone involved, no weak links.
     
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  2. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Calvert-Lewin scored our first goal in the first game of the tournament for us and our last in the championship. His only two goals.
     
  3. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    That really isn't a bad idea.
     
  4. DrFootball1

    DrFootball1 Member

    Jan 15, 2012
    Brussels
    Club:
    Atletico Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
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  5. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Considering the season he had I think Solanke did well enough. For me though Onomah, Lookman and KWP were our best performers. Tomori was good too.

    Numerous options contributed positively which is why we won in the end. Can't really say any player was caught truly out of their depth. Most of the issues I thought could be attributed to wrongly prescribed specific role selections or tactical issues.
     
  6. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    No doubt I'm sure but this win will put these kids on the map and more questions will be asked about why we can't get them into first team football in the Prem and an increase in clamor and maybe more pressure for Clubs to trust the youngsters coming through. One can only hope anyway.

    http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-more-premier-league-minutes-says-lee-hendrie
     
  7. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I still think Ejaria was underused considering his brilliant game against Korea but hey, who am I to criticise considering we just won the whole thing :)
     
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  8. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    First of all well done to the boys. :) Great achievement.

    Now probably comes the hard part. In many ways similar to the '93 group (perhaps more even more defensive options). But opportunity and injury hurt a few of the '93s. Hopefully that winning culture they seem to have and created gives them the edge to the '93 group.
     
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  9. wellno

    wellno Member+

    Jul 31, 2016
  10. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    he clearly was, even if we won in the end. He did very well and deserved more.
     
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  11. The Guardian

    The Guardian Member+

    Jul 31, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I know a win is a win but I was disappointed with that. Having to cling on till the end when it could have been sown up in the first half but for poor finishing - bad technique. These specialist coaches need to get to work.
     
  12. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    100% agree, Onomah Lookman and KWP were the standout players for me.
     
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  13. Crvena Zvezda

    Crvena Zvezda Member

    Manchester United
    England
    Apr 11, 2017
    I'd say the above as well as Woodman, Tomori, Cook ,DCL ,Kenny, Ojo, Dowell and Ejaria all made an impact and showed great potential at times as well as maybe Solanke.
    If you had to name one star though it has to be Lookman who always looked dangerous
     
  14. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
     
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  15. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Onomah was probably the most encouraging English player for me this tournament. It's going to be interesting to see who's starting games in midfield for next season's under-21s: obviously Alli isn't going to come back, but they could be retaining Loftus-Cheek and Winks and adding Onomah, Cook, Davies and others without even disturbing the under-19s.
     
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  16. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    With the dearth of CM's available for selection I don't think you can rule out any of them being brought into the seniors if they start games next season and play well. Alli only got two U21 caps and it may well happen again.
     
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  17. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    No, I agree, hence "could be", but that would be a really good thing in itself. It's obviously been a weak position in senior squads for some time now, but if you add in the players who are passing out of the under-21s this summer - Baker, Hughes, Chalobah, Swift, Ward-Prowse - then I think there's at least cause for hope that we won't be relying on the likes of Jake Livermore for very much longer.
     
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  18. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Leeds United
    England
    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    IMO Onomah, Tomori, Cook, and Woodman will definitely be full England internationals in the next two seasons. There's plenty of others who have good chances, but these guys stand out. We desperately need players like them in the setup. For instance, if Onomah started against Scotland then we would've won for sure. Woodman will and maybe already has caught the eye of some big clubs with his performance in the World Cup. Winning the best keeper award certainly strengthens his case too. KWP showed how calm he is in possession and that he can play as an LB just as well as a RB. I think Kenny will do well going forward too, but IMO KWP impressed scouts more.

    We're pretty stacked with No. 9s so it'll be hard for Solanke to get up the pecking order. Although he can play as a No. 10 and a winger, it was pretty clear that his best position is a striker. As for center backs; Fry, Clarke-Salter, Gomez, and Oxford all look better than Cahill. But Tomori stands out the most for me. He did have the backpass howler and almost headed the ball over Woodman for an OG today, but other than that he was quick, strong, and composed.
     
  19. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Cook, I can definitely see, and if he starts next season as he finished this one then I don't think it'll take long at all. The others, I think, are a bit more speculative within that kind of timeframe. It would depend on club circumstances that are very hard to predict.
     
  20. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    I don't really understand the hype about Cook tbh. Good engine but lacks composure on the ball, not sure he would bring something that is currently missing in the senior team.
     
  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Well, this isn't saying a lot but I think he's got more footballing ability than Jake Livermore already
     
  22. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    lol sure. But Livermore in the england squad is a complete farce.
     
  23. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    With a stable, more defensive midfielder in pair he could be very useful, with his tenacity and passing there are not many midfielders in the England setup like him. Maybe Wilshere but he is done already.
     
  24. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
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  25. Tima

    Tima Member

    Oct 3, 2006
    Cambridge
    And let us not forget that in that tournament people were saying how Kane was awful and had no chance of a career in the top flight. It is really hard to judge who will and won't make it in youth football.
     
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