England U-18 Discussions Thread (2006 born)

Discussion in 'England' started by Jenks, Sep 21, 2013.

  1. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    I think anytime a particular group is under represented it should be discussed. I would definitely like to see more black managers in top jobs.
     
  2. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    It's bizzare. Lingard, Welbeck + Rashford are as Manc as people come.
     
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  3. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
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    It's also not even true.
     
  4. TopBanana10

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    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    To borrow your own phrase ‘This is just a weird comment. Who cares what race or social background theycome from?’
     
  5. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Data?
     
  6. TopBanana10

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    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    AJ123, is your point that race doesn’t matter? Or that it does matter if it fits your narrative?
     
  7. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
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    22% of coaches in England are BAME. That's a significant over-representation. The proportion is lower in high ranking positions in the FA, but then the age demographic is wildly different for those positions too, so can only be compared to racial demographics from decades ago.

    http://www.sportengland.org/coachingcasestudies/

    And the burden of proof should have been on you to provide data first, to be fair.
     
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  8. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    #1158 AJ123, Nov 4, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2018
    Race doesn't matter when you are talking about the racial make-up of a football team no. Its a meritocracy and there are numerous reasons as to why black players are overrepresented in some countries, not least that athletes generally come from working class backgrounds due to fewer life opportunities and immigrants generally find themselves starting from the bottom when they move to a new country.

    That is coaching at all levels.

    http://www.lboro.ac.uk/news-events/news/2017/november/bame-football-coaches-underrepresented/

    5% in professional clubs from a study by the UK's premier sporting university. A figure that has 'remained stagnant overtime'.

    But if the age demographics do favour an up-tick towards representation in the future then it points to progress being made. Rio will be pleased.
     
  9. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Just to be pedantic, you actively made an assertion yourself rather than querying or dismissing his. The burden of proving his assertion is on him, but the burden of proving yours is on you.
     
  10. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    So, playing football is a meritocracy but coaching isn’t? It gets weirder.
     
  11. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    What is it about being black that makes a more inept coach, manager or DOF, in your opinion?
     
  12. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    When did I SAY THAT?
     
  13. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    It is what you imply.
     
  14. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
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    If calling an assertion untrue doesn't qualify as dismissing it then I don't know what does.
     
  15. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    It goes beyond dismissing it when you make an unsubstantiated assertion of your own. You can say that his proposition is baseless without providing evidence of your own. You can't say that the opposite is true without evidence.

    You did provide evidence though, so, to be clear, I'm only disputing that one line about burdens of proof.
     
  16. TopBanana10

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    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    I don’t think black coaches etc are any worse than white coaches. In fact, I’d like to see a few more of them in the Prem. Equally, I don’t think white lads are worse footballers so I’d like to see a few more of them in some of our less diverse youth teams.
     
  17. wellno

    wellno Member+

    Jul 31, 2016
    TBF I dont think that is what he was implying.
     
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  18. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    OK fair enough. Let’s agree to disagree here.

    OK.
     
  19. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Some new selections. Adshead & Thomas whilst Maghoma/Whittaker return from 16s & Mola a more recent re-call.

    The Squad

    Goalkeeepers: Luca Ashby-Hammond (Fulham), Marcus Dewhurst (Gainsborough Trinity, loan from Sheffield United), Arthur Okonkwo (Arsenal)

    Defenders: Ajibola Alese (West Ham United), Vontae Daley-Campbell (Arsenal), Pascal Kpohomouh (Southampton), Clinton Mola (Chelsea), Nathaniel Ogbeta (Manchester City), Luke Thomas (Leicester City)

    Midfielders: Daniel Adshead (Rochdale), Faustino Anjorin (Chelsea), Arvin Appiah (Nottingham Forest), Anthony Gordon (Everton), Mason Greenwood (Manchester United), Curtis Jones (Liverpool), Paris Maghoma (Tottenham Hotspur), Bali Mumba (Sunderland)

    Forwards: Folarin Balogun (Arsenal), Tyreece John-Jules (Arsenal), Morgan Whittaker (Derby County)
     
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  20. TopBanana10

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    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Is Garner out injured for a while?
     
  21. United689908

    United689908 Member

    Jul 11, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    No it's not that bad.
     
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  23. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    I really feel like he will be challenging for an England place by Euro 2020.
     
  24. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Another 4 for Ellis Simms today v West Brom. I think it was a very young WBA team. He's a big kid, but it's still impressive. We've seen a lot of big lads who haven't been this productive in the past. Really needs to be playing U23 football only (bar FA Youth Cup) after Christmas.
     
  25. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Could be if we were to be in 2008. But there are very talented players in front of him who are older than him and already play for the first team. I would be surprised if Greenwood even play for Man Utd seniors until then.
     
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