England U-17 Discussions Thread #3 (2007 born)

Discussion in 'England' started by england66, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    To late, I’m sure they’re on to it already. Lucky for us he’s already in our system however I would have thought Italy would be more of a threat tbh.
     
  2. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Joe Hodge with Ireland again. I think that pretty much confirms he'll be with them for the foreseeable future. With Fiorini also with Scotland, it could be a big loss.

    Scotland, Ireland + Wales have really sorted themselves out and will find it easier to entice players away now as there's only so many England can pick. Will be interesting to see how England balance the politics of it behind the scenes.

    France have experienced this, but the advantage they have is that the dual eligible players they have don't really have another outlet until they're senior players. There's no attractive U17/U19/U21 infrastructure in African nations or the confederation to pull players away at an early age.

    I think in a few years we'll look back and realise how difficult it is for England to get someone back when they've gone to someone else as an U17. Then on the flipside, players will find it easier to leave England to play elsewhere in the years after that.
     
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  3. dbs235

    dbs235 Member

    Mar 30, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This isn't aimed at Hodge, Fiorni or any dual national in particular, but do they really feel that much affinity to Ireland/Scotland/Wales because of one grandparent, when the rest of their entire family including themselves are all English? Fair enough if they're getting nowhere the England team, but when they're a top prospect it just seems strange to me.
     
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  4. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I don't think it's for us to speculate. Everyone has their own reasons.
     
  5. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    It seems strange that people want to simultaneously argue - "they're only playing for them cause they're not good enough for England" and also "they're really good prospects, why aren't they choosing to play for England?"

    Like Juni says, they're all individual decisions and it's certainly not as black or white as 'but hes born in England + has English parents???'.
     
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  6. Sensanetional

    Sensanetional Member

    Apr 4, 2017
    Regarding Fiorini/Hodge I think it's a case of them not getting enough appreciation for their talent at England youth teams for whatever reason and they just want to play national games in tournaments and feel important. Actually playing games is priority number 1 and whether they identify as English/Irish/Scottish doesn't matter as much (yet).
     
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  7. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Fiorini's dad posted on here a few times, didn't he? I certainly got the impression that he didn't really feel that his son was valued by England. Hard to know if that was objectively fair, of course.

    Hodge's dad posted here too, but I don't think he gave much away.
     
  8. dbs235

    dbs235 Member

    Mar 30, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    They must be talking about different players then?
     
  9. brettspurs

    brettspurs Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Nov 9, 2017
    Seems to be lining up for Spurs U18s today, unless it's a different Etete.

     
  10. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    It’s him. Although I was wrong and he’s a late 01, not an 02.
     
  11. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Mighten was born in USA.
     
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  12. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
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    Thursday 21 March
    Switzerland

    Sunday 24 March
    Croatia

    Wednesday 27 March
    Denmark
     
  13. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Reading first year scholar Michael Olise ( 2002) is on the bench again for Reading. His contemporaries at Reading are Pendlebury, Nevers etc
     
  14. markdavies17

    markdavies17 Member

    Oct 28, 2016
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Former Chelsea (his brother I believe, is still there) & City (I think). Clearly has talent, but it’s about joking it together. Chelsea had some good boys in that 02 group, before the likes of Azeez and others left.
     
  15. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Do they release this squad ?
     
  16. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Pointless if they don't considering UEFA will.
     
  17. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    It's what I thought but expected it on the hour.
     
  18. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    The comms guy said it'll be announced next week. But I suspect it means it may be announced as the team is announced for the game v Switzerland on Friday.
     
  19. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Pretty sure Myles Peart-Harris is in this squad.
     
  20. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Lewis Bate is too.
     
  21. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Sarmiento trained with the Benfica first team this week.
     
  22. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Gelhardt, Madueke, Knight, Mighten, Azeez, Musah, Rogers all in.
     
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  23. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Let’s hope he’s in the Squad.
     
  24. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Greenwood + Elliott too.
     
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  25. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    So we looking at a 20-man squad

    2 GKs (Probably Moulden & Trafford)

    At least 6 DFs (Probably Livramento, Harwood-Bellis, Wood-Gordon, Mengi, Roberts, Cirkin)

    Peart-Harris
    Bate
    Musah
    Azeez
    Madueke

    Rogers
    Mighten
    Elliott
    Knight

    Gelhardt
    Greenwood


    *1 spare so maybe a 7th defender but more likely another attacker/attacking midfield which normally has been Carvalho but could be Sarmiento)
     

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