England U-17 Discussions Thread #3

Discussion in 'England' started by england66, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. AJ123

    AJ123 Member

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    What about Madueke, Sarimento and Bondswell? All were missing from the last squad.
     
  2. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United


    Seems like Sarmiento has started off well anyway.

    I doubt either of them three will be in this one.

    Do we even know who they're scheduled to face yet or what the format is?

    This time last year was a 4-team tournament v Portugal, Germany + Russia.
     
  3. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    I think they play Ireland either today or tomorrow!
     
  4. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Match Day 1 – Thursday November 8

    Germany v Czech Republic, UCD Bowl, 15:00

    Republic of Ireland v England, Tallaght Stadium, 19:00

    Match Day 2 – Sunday November 11

    Republic of Ireland v Czech Republic, Tallaght Stadium, 15:00

    England v Germany, UCD Bowl, 19:00

    Match Day 3 – Wednesday November 14

    Republic of Ireland v Germany, Tallaght Stadium, 13:00

    Czech Republic v England, Home Farm FC, 13:00
     
  5. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    The Germany match will be a good test. Another possible big scalp.
     
  6. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Add Dynel Simeu and Dennis Cirkin to the list.
     
  7. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    I like Dennis Cirkin, slick kind of player. Sweet left foot.
     
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  8. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Germany
    Their recent teams at this level and then going on to the 19s and 21s haven't been as good as their reputation gives them. Probably from 97s onwards ? Obviously got a talent like Kai Havertz (99) and there will always be players like those. I have stumbled on quite a few conversations on twitter with those that have interests in German youth football and there are concerns.

    Having a look Germany's squad for this. More or less positions give or take.

    GK:Noah Atubolu (Freiburg) 3
    GK: Tim Schreiber (Leipzig) 2

    RB: Mehmet Can Aydin (Schalke 04) 4
    RB: Tim Bohmer (Dortmund) 1
    CB: Lasse Rosenboom (Werder Bremen) 1
    CB: Marton Dardai (Hertha Berlin) 4
    CB: Adrien Koudelka (Augsburg) 3
    CB: Jannis Lang (Wolfsburg) 4 (1)
    LB: Luca Netz (Hertha Berlin) 3
    LB: Kerim Calhanoglu (Hoffenheim) 2

    CM: Jetmir Ameti (Hertha Berlin) 2
    CM: Marco John (Hoffenheim)
    CM: Jordan Meyer (Stuttgart) 5
    CM: Christopher Scott (Bayer Leverkusen) 5

    AM: Lars Kehl (Freiburg) 4 (2)
    AM: Malik Tillman (Bayern Munich) 3
    AM: Marvin Weiß (Hoffenheim)

    WF: Timon Burmeister (Wolfsburg) 4 (1)
    WF: Tim Lemperle (Cologne) 4

    CF: Ware Pakia (Dortmund) 2
    CF: Jan Thielmann (Cologne) 5 (2)
    CF: Nick Woltemade (Werder Bremen) 1



    This groups last gameS was a 2-1 win & 1-1 draw with Denmark. Can see the whole game and highlights somewhere around here - https://tv.dfb.de/video/u-17-nationalmannschaft-deutschland-daenemark/23327/

    Before that there were draws with Holland and Italy and a win over Israel.
     
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  9. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Madueke on the bench v Spurs right now.

    I wonder if City have let Harwood-Bellis travel with England or if he'll be with their UYL side. I know Ben Knight is with England.

    Teden Mengi came off for United with an injury at the weekend so i'm not sure if he's fit. It seems like there should be some new names but I haven't seen any yet (bar Bate).

    Wonder if Parrott will be with Ireland after his game today or if he's going to remain in the older age groups.
     
  10. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    This time last year they called Youssoufa Moukoko up to play with this group as an U16. Seemingly they've backed off him for now because logically he'd be with them as an U17. It goes without saying what the reasons are for them not wanting to open that can of worms.
     
  11. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    He's 13 according to some. :ROFLMAO: Ridiculous isn't it?
     
  12. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC


    Moukoko's age is clearly questionable, but let's not act like we know for sure that he's older. We can't possibly.
     
  13. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    I know mate. I wasn't trying to be nasty. Just a bit funny when these things come up.
     
  14. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    tbf, the head of the Dortmund academy said he thinks he's older but hedged his bets and said he's probably an U17. He's scored 60 goals in 39 U17 games and still has two further seasons of eligibility at that age level. He's either the greatest prospect ever or he's overage. The way both Dortmund + Germany are treating him suggests they're also sceptical and waiting to see how it all plays out.
     
  15. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    This is what we've got so far.

    James Trafford (Man City) (not 100% but think so)

    Dennis Cirkin (Tottenham)
    Dynel Simeu (Chelsea)
    Nathan Wood (Middlesbrough)

    Miguel Azeez (Arsenal)
    Lewis Bate (Chelsea)
    Yunus Musah (Arsenal)

    Fabio Carvalho (Fulham)
    Harvey Elliott (Fulham)
    Sam Greenwood (Arsenal)
    Ben Knight (Man City)
    Alex Mighten (Nottm Forest)
    Morgan Rogers (West Brom)
     
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  16. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Fairly sure Haydon Roberts is there.
     
  17. ArsenalYouth

    ArsenalYouth Member

    Apr 16, 2017
    London, England
    Malachi Walcott and Madueke are going .
     
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  18. AZChas

    AZChas Member

    Jun 1, 2014
    Club:
    Brighton & Hove Albion FC
    Brighton and Hove Albion goalkeeper Fynn Talley posted a pic of St George's Park on instagram story on Sunday, with the caption "Happy to be meeting up with England again", so presumably he is involved.
     
  19. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
  20. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    I guess it depends who's choice it was. Again, the lack of qualifiers we're playing is becoming a bit annoying.
     
  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    How do you mean who’s choice it was, surely it’s the lads choice or? He obviously has strong connections to Ireland im guessing.
     
  22. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    It's his choice to accept the call up, but who knows if it was a choice of picking them over England. Madueke wasn't in the last squad and is in this one. Lewis Bate is another midfielder in this one. England might just be rotating Hodge out for this International break.

    He'd clearly chose England over Ireland in the last few times there was a choice to be made.
     
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  23. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    On the plus side, Ireland don't have any either.
     
  24. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Ok, yeah makes sense, guess we have to be a bit careful in these situations as could end up with another Fiorini situation but thrn again with so many players now as Duals it’s inevitable these situations will arise.
     
  25. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    One way to look at it is that this is one of his last chances (perhaps his last chance?) to try out the Ireland set-up before he has to make some kind of decision. If he accepts a call for England's Elite Round squad, he'll be committed to England at least until he's ready to make a final choice on senior representation, which could be a long way down the road (if it ever comes).

    If he has any question whatsoever about who he wants to throw his lot in with for the next few years, now is the time to explore the alternative option so that he can make an informed choice. Potentially the only time.
     

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