England Senior Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    I hope Gomez hasn't taken the booing to heart. He seams like a great bloke by all accounts. Hes had a pretty sh*t year with injury and losing his place in the Liverpool team maybe its all got on top of him. Also when hes fit and playing regularly hes one hell of a player.
     
  2. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Apparently Pope is going to make his full debut tomorrow night and CHO is also set to start.
     
  3. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't agree that Tomori is decent on the ball. I actually think he's below average compared to the rest of the squad, and has exactly the kind of mistakes in him Keane does, even more so when passing back to his keeper.
     
  4. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    It sounds harsh but I hope Mount doesn't start today. Maddison deserves a full debut. Ideally, Mount would have had a bit longer with the U21s.

    Also any two of Mings/Stones/Tomori should start as Maguire could do with a rest.
     
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  5. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    I don't think that's harsh at all in fairness. I've been underwhelmed by Mount in an England shirt and feel he has been unfairly somewhat favoured by Southgate up to this point. He is having a decent season of course, but he was given minutes ahead of Maddison in September as well despite the fact the latter had a full season of pl football at that point. I felt sorry for Maddison in many ways the other night. As ridiculous as it may sound given in theory coming on at 5-0 up against a team like Montenegro should be very easy, it's actually not that simple. Due to the fact the game was won, it almost makes it harder as players are playing in second gear and making few runs in behind etc which is crucial to Maddison's game which is about picking a pass and making things happen in the final third.
     
  6. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    I'm catching up on posts from a few days ago, but this is the key point - the best players in the world all play first team football as teenagers. Players aren't developed at 18, or 21 - it is a continuous curve and there comes a time when first team football is the next step in the pathway, and Phil Foden has been there for too long now and it is now at the detriment to his career.

    I was happy with the 'training alongside top players line', but he has clearly outgrown that now. He needs to look at the CVs of the players he wants to emulate and see what he needs to do, and it is go somewhere and play.
     
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  7. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    Maddison will have a fitness test before the game.
     
  8. Toosaul

    Toosaul New Member

    Aug 28, 2011
    Totally agree, Mount could have done with a rest or at the very least taken out of the spotlight and gone with the u21's. He is only 20 in his first season of pl football and has played a lot of football the last few months, understandably his form has been up and down. Maddison is definitely playing better and deserves a start.
     
  9. roverman

    roverman Member

    Dec 22, 2001
    Was looking forward to this game but now with maddison being possibly out it will be the usual mount no show.
     
  10. roverman

    roverman Member

    Dec 22, 2001
    Pope, Alexander-Arnold, Maguire, Mings, Chilwell, Rice, Winks, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Hudson-Odoi, Sterling, Kane.
     
  11. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
  12. roverman

    roverman Member

    Dec 22, 2001
    Disappointing not to see maddison
     
  13. roverman

    roverman Member

    Dec 22, 2001
    Why rice starts I have no idea. Limited player at best. I'm sure if Henderson was fit we would see the usual poor partnership of Henderson and rice
     
  14. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Well, got to say I’m disappointed Maddison isn’t starting but if he has some fitness issues then it’s understandable. Also would have liked to see Abraham get his first start along with Tomori. Not sure how many friendly games we play between this game and the start of the Euro’s but they need games to bed in and get used to International football.
     
  15. roverman

    roverman Member

    Dec 22, 2001
    Southgate has done an incredible job but sometimes its infuriating that hes always so conservative. Why the hell start maguire? We've won the group. Why doesn't he give abraham a start? Or tomori? I understand if Madison isn't 100 per cent fit. Looking forward to seeing odoi though
     
  16. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Tomori and Maddison have to get some game time
     
  17. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    Can't believe that as somebody who was a defender himself, Southgate is naive enough to think that changing the personnel at CB every game is the right thing to do. We're never going to tighten up and develop any sort of solidity if he just keeps basically picking names out of the hat to decide who will partner Maguire every game. I don't rate Stones, but if he is still Southgate's first choice back there, then he should be playing today. If he isn't, then Southgate needs to decide who is/will be ASAP and stick with them.

    As for the midfield, extremely disappointing to see no start for Maddison yet again. Even more disappointing to see Rice back who has been really poor in an England shirt. I really thought this would be Maddison's moment at long last with all the injuries and unavailable players in midfield. Sadly, I am now resigned to him not being under serious consideration for Southgate next summer. I also don't buy that he's not fully fit, I reckon Southgate has said it just to take the criticism from overlooking him away.
     
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  18. roverman

    roverman Member

    Dec 22, 2001
    If hes on the bench he must be fit. Mount has shown nothing so far to suggest hes ready to be an England player. Obviously it would have been too late to call up foden but I would have him ahead of mount ten times out of ten
     
  19. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    TAA and CHO on the same side? Maybe we are playing Rice and Winks as the specific CM pairing.

    Maddison has a calf injury so probably would have started in Ox’s role if fully fit.
     
  20. roverman

    roverman Member

    Dec 22, 2001
    I think stones is a very good defender . Just takes unnecessary risks. I still would have tomori ahead of him though
     
  21. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Hes probably being conservative because they put 3 past us last time.
     
  22. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    Ironically, we played 2 defensive minded midfielders on that day anyway, did a fat lot of good. Even more ironically, Rice, who's probably in to give more protection, was the chief culprit behind allowing them so many chances due to an absolute stinker of a performance.
     
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  23. Toosaul

    Toosaul New Member

    Aug 28, 2011
    Rice again? How do some players seem to get endless chances despite never taking them and others just seem to be ignored? Its so frustrating, that said I think he will do better with Winks next to him.

    Maddison may be injured but I'm not convinced he would have started if fit. Also we all know what Kane can do, why can't he give Abraham some minutes to build on his goal? If Kane gets injured he is looking like the most likely replacement so he needs time to get used to international football.
     
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  24. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Some very good ex defenders have said that he has the potential to be a world class CB ..... I used to agree but why on Earth is he still making so many poor decisions ?
     
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  25. RobTheFool

    RobTheFool Member+

    Apr 19, 2008
    London, England
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Southgate will complain about the lack of games but he never uses these to test players properly. Why run Players into the ground two games running in 3 days and why not use this to start Maddison? It’s ridiculous and pathetic. Rice is just not a good player and as said above he is there to ‘provide protection’ as so many pundits say and seem to be obsessed about in this country, but that doesn’t work when you can’t pass, it makes it worse. Look who other countries have played in that position - Pirlo, Busquets, De Jong, etc etc players who can actually play!
     
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