England Senior Team General Discussion Thread

I think Southgate will recall Stones and Alli this week and deservedly so.

 

I know he probably doesn’t fit the profile of players we want now and also he shouldn’t have retired in the first place, but vardy is the best/in form striker in the league right now and would be very useful for us

 

I wouldn't have him ahead of Kane or Abraham but he offers more than Wilson.

 

Maguire and Stones are still the first choice for me. Over 60 caps between them. Gomez and Tomori could do with a run out against Kosovo though as it's a good chance to experiment.

I'd also like to see Dean Henderson, Maddison, Grealish and Abraham get decent minutes.

 

Deservedly so???????? What?????!!!!! Alli was absolutely abysmal last week in a match which was an actual test against good opposition, suddenly scores one goal against one of the most out of form sides in the league and suddenly he should be recalled? Do me a favour, Mount, Maddison, Grealish(if fit) and AOC should all be ahead of him on merit. Even Barkley, who's inclusion I've questioned has offered far more and had much more of an impact for England than Alli ever has. I'm happy he did score and hopefully this can be a start for him, but he needs to do a lot more before he should be considered over those 4 aforementioned players. For now, I still wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.

As for Stones, I haven't seen much of him recently but again I don't see the fuss. His case for selection is stronger than Alli's but that is more down to our lack of options in his position rather than him putting in fantastic, consistent performances every week. I think a lot of people seem to like Stones and rate him just because of his technical ability and the fact he was signed by Pep. However, he consistently makes poor errors on the ball in addition to a host of defensive mistakes such as against Norwich earlier in the season and even against Villa last week. The fact he's not really kicked on in the last 3 years despite being part of arguably the best side the pl has seen and being managed by arguably the worlds finest manager makes me question whether he will ever improve to the level of a top class defender that is dependable on the biggest stage and in the biggest games.

 

As for this argument for choosing players based on caps, we may as well just ask Terry, Ferdinand to come out of retirement then. In all seriousness, if this is something that is that important, I feel Walker is the one we should recall out of all of the recently dropped players. He is dependable, fits the philosophy, is a good character and is also in reasonable form. Aside from the fact Alli in particular still hasn't done much this season, he's also a bit of an idiot. Given one of the supposed biggest reasons Maddison gets overlooked is because of his character/attitude, it would be a bit hypocritical of Southgate to now pick and play Alli for that reason alone.

 

I do. Despite all his flaws and his dip in form he is still the best English defender by far. Maguire is a much more limited player, and the others are years away from being first choice defenders: Gomez is clearly behind, Tomori has to learn a lot, Mings also not as technical as Stones etc.

 

Alli was back to playing as a wide forward today, which is probably a large part of why he did ok. He's yet to show that he can play as a more conventional midfielder at the top level. It probably makes more sense for England to consider him accordingly - as competition for Sterling/Sancho/etc. rather than one for a midfield three.

 

Maguire is good as a lcb in a back 3 but too slow in a high line 2

modern defenders don’t need to be big, fast and technical

atones is poor lately imo

The future is between Gomez, tomori, Mings and I think rice will be a cb

 

This would be my choice:

Pickford
Henderson
Heaton/Pope
Rose
Chilwell
Trippier/Walker
TAA
Stones
Maguire
Gomez
Tomori
Mings
Rice
Winks
Henderson
Barkley
Grealish
Maddison
Alli
Sterling
Sancho
Mount
Rashford
Kane
Abraham

It's a 25 man squad. Leaving out Keane, Ox and Wilson. Maybe give Walker a chance?

 

Great squad !!

Can’t see a flaw even though I’m not a great fan of Barkley these days ..

 

Neither am I but it's hard to argue with his recent England form. If I was to trim it to a 23 man squad, I'd take out Alli and Gomez or Mings.

I really rate Gomez but he's just not getting the minutes.

 

Yeah that is a good squad tbf and one I wouldn't mind seeing, personally I'd still have AOC in place of Alli though for the moment even if he doesn't play as much football. I just feel he's been more impressive/convincing recently. Having said that it would be one of those two that I'd cut from the squad once it goes down from 25 as well. I don't like or rate Rose atm but unfortunately I agree he needs to be in just due to the lack of other options there. Hopefully, Sessegnon can somehow take a big step forward this season as a LB having come on yesterday, though I'm definitely not counting on it.

 

I had such high hopes for Barkleyin his early Everton days as well but...

 

Mount gone off injured

 

Both Mount and Sancho went off injured. Hope it’s nothing to much to worry about but not sure they will make the Squad this week. Sancho looked like he had pulled something but could be wrong.

 

Personally would start rashford anyway. Probably call up odoi if sancho is out

 

Is Barkley injured or not btw? If he isn't then I can't see Southgate dropping him despite his lack of games as he has delivered tbf to him in an England shirt and recently for that matter. Given Southgate has up to now gone with 3 attack minded midfielders in his squads, that would mean there's only one other spot assuming Barkley and Maddison are both selected. As I've said before, I'd much rather that went to the Ox over Alli assuming Grealish is injured, if Grealish isn't then he should get the nod based o what he brings and his form over the whole season so far. Unfortunately however, if Grealish is fit, I'll be staggered if Southgate doesn't pick at least one of AOC or Alli, which would mean no room for him. More worryingly though, I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he calls up both of them and drops Maddison, even if it's totally undeserved.

 

With the injury to Mount, there should be room for Maddison and Grealish. We really need to get a look at both.

 

Barkley is injured.

 

I think at this point Oxlade-Chamberlain probably fully deserves his place in the squad. He's been in sensational form for Liverpool.

 

Going forward Reece James will be an interesting one. Despite all the competition at right back, he's probably the most balanced out of all them. His crossing isn't far off Trent but he's a better defender. His main weakness is a lack of pace and struggles to recover when high up the pitch and the opposition get a break on.

 

That's one area we are strong in.

 

May sound cynical, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Liverpool players pull out of this squad given the way Klopp is moaning on.

 

Cant see it. Theres a tournament coming up and look how luke shaw has been snubbed since he pulled out