England Senior Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't think there's is any reason to assume that he will drop Barkley now or at any time during the season. I don't know what he'll do with Lingard and Oxlade-Chamberlain though. It's hard to make an argument for either being in the squad, but managers don't like doing exactly what the media tells them to.
     
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  2. The Potter

    The Potter Member+

    Aug 26, 2004
    England
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    My dad's Scottish, absolute nightmare if we lose.
     
  3. The Potter

    The Potter Member+

    Aug 26, 2004
    England
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    When has Lingard ever been hyped?
     
  4. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    According to some, that makes you Scottish.

    Their forum is down the hall on the left.
     
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  5. dbs235

    dbs235 Member

    Mar 30, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Shall we move all The Potter related discussion to the Dual Nationality thread? Another one we've likely lost to a third-rate nation.
     
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  6. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He’s got a lot more caps for England than he should
     
  7. dbs235

    dbs235 Member

    Mar 30, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He had a decent world cup but we should be moving on from him now.
     
  8. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    ... or a chicken. One or the other.
     
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  9. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    I just don’t see how Ox and Lingard can justify a squad place unfortunately. Maddison, Mount and Grealish are all more deserving.
     
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  10. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Ox was pathetic last night .. the two teenagers Jones and Elliot ( just 16) outshone him easily
     
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  11. The Potter

    The Potter Member+

    Aug 26, 2004
    England
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Its been a hard desicion for me and my family but Ive decided to remain posting on the England forum.
     
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  12. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Won’t u eff off to the African boards? After all, your earliest ancestor is from there
     
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  13. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I think it will be very odd for Southgate to pick Ox and Lingard this time round tbh but wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised if he did.
     
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  14. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    I don't like or rate Lingard, however he has at least performed well for England under Southgate and has also had a reasonable amount of game time in the last year to keep himself ticking over for the games for England. So although it's still a weak case in comparison to Maddison, he can still make some form of justification for being in the squad. The Ox however is an absolute joke of a selection if he's picked and a complete waste of a spot. I mean seriously how on earth can someone who has not played any football for the last year and who didn't even look match fit the other night possibly be considered a better option than one of the best young and most in form player's in the country in Maddison. Whether Southgate feels Maddison fits his long-term plan or not, whether he prefers the Ox as a player or not, it shouldn't even matter in a case like this. Picking the Ox should be a sackable offence alone and I say this as someone who actually likes him as a professional and person.

    Also, even if/when the Ox gets back to full fitness and is playing regularly, he shouldn't be in. This is because he doesn't bring anything different to what Barkley or even Alli does, his game is based more on direct running, physicality, energy and end product rather than the ability to dictate play, receive the ball in tight spaces and pick a pass which is what we are lacking and actually need.
     
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  15. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    I think Ox’s last call up was a good will gesture a la Chalobah. If he’s in the next squad though then it’s just plain wrong.
     
  16. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Yes .. I’d agree on both points
     
  17. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    The worry is that these two games coming up are tougher match scenarios than the last international meet up. Meaning it’s harder to bring less experienced players into these games in comparison to the last games. That is what was so awful about Southgate’s squad use in the last meet up. Those games were perfect to use the less experienced players and give them some minutes. To completely ignore Winks and Maddison was absurd.

    It’s not even about not agreeing with a lineup or with certain players starting. If he had given Maddison the pitch time that Ox got against Bulgaria and not completely overplayed Rice and Barkley the complaints would have been far more subdued.
     
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  18. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Gomez on the bench again, he’s really finding it hard to find a start in league games at the moment. In regard to Squad selections, I think he’s quite lucky in the respect that he’s still one of our best Centre half’s and not much competition for his place in the Squad unlike the Ox where there does seem like more options who are in form. Having said that though, with the emergence of Tomori and when Stones gets back fit, it might all of a sudden start to get interesting.
     
  19. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Well, you can scratch Henderson off as a new keeper in the next Squad, just had a howler ffs!
     
  20. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Actually maybe I’m being harsh on Henderson after seeing Lloris making his howler which is just awful. Lol
     
  21. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Tomori has had a solid game for Chelsea this afternoon, hardly put a foot wrong. Really good performance and surely must be under consideration for the Squad.
     
  22. AJ123

    AJ123 Member

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    I've watched his past two games and he's been excellent in both, against Pool he bossed Salah with ease. He has to be in the squad in my opinion.
     
  23. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    I've also heard Chelsea fans criticising Barkley and saying they were much better when Kovacic was on. Lampard doesn't seem to like him and he's obviously a much better judge of midfielders than Southgate. I apologise for sounding like an absolute broken record on this by now but it's another crime that he not only continues to make the team, but actually seems to be pretty locked in when Maddison continues to play as well as he does.
     
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  24. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    I thought Barkley was going to be a proper player a few years ago but I’d say he’s plateaued or even regressed at Chelsea .. shouldn’t be anywhere near the England team
     
  25. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It's interesting the things that pop up on your youtube opening page somethines... this just appeared for me.



    The though that occurred to me is that, although we just use their names, (or sometimes acronyms like CHO), these people are often just kids. Like really young. If they make mistakes, (in life or just on the pitch), it's maybe not all that surprising.
     

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