Emerson Hyndman at AFC Bournemouth

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by dcpohl, Mar 24, 2008.

  1. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Europe is where 99% of top Americans have proved themselves.
     
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  2. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    should they stay in MLS and dilute themselves or go where the game is king? and I don't mean only Europe. If you can go to Brazil or Argy and make it, you're there. to be a starter in MLS is good, but there is another level.

    Try it, you might like it.
     
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  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    There are places that have a good history for Americans, there are places with a lousy history for Americans. Go to one of the former.

    When has one of our players got a fair shake in Italy, Spain, Portugal or France? The common wisdom in Latin countries is that Yanks cannot play the sport.

    The Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, even Scotland now that they start their recovery, and Scandinavia back when it was decent, those places were good to go. Now Germany, as it was in the past when England wasn't flooded with so much money they lost all interest in developing anyone.

    Then there's the Championship. Where our players get stuck, which is more or less MLS level.

    Just don't go to places where your kind is derided, or to clubs that have no interest to develop you. Signing with City, Chelsea, Arse, etc. is only good for the short term, to make $$$. But for a Yank it's usually the end of the road, too.

    Take the risk with some Ered team, with some Juliper, some German academy, work hard and make the big guns pay for you. A guy like Pulisic is going to have plenty of chances to prove himself with Chelski. Miazga is unlikely to ever see more than garbage minutes with them.
     
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  4. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you sure it's 99% and not 45%? Can you show your work?

    If Emerson is as good as some folks claim then I'm sure another prem team will come swope him up.
     
  5. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I meant that signing with Chelsea is always most likely to end up in a journey of loans (although I still think MM had to take the plunge), but Bournemouth, depending on what they led EH to believe, is a place an untested kid could hope to get some reasonable time/development across a few year deal, even believing he could reach starter level by the end of the contract.
     
  6. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    #5381 adam tash, May 2, 2019
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    a weird development on this front is that MLS is kinda pricing out the logical moves for a lot of americans now. the good americans are now signing with the mega-clubs...which on the surface seems positive...and from a financial sense seems to make the most sense.

    However, the on-field considerations make signing with a huge club as a basically unproven player makes the odds of success very small...way too many hurdles to jump through to have it work out in the end....from a player development perspective.

    basically a lot of the options to the yanks jumping to europe make sense from a financial perspective OR an on-field perspective but RARELY both.

    a payscale in MLS that is in line with european football would go a long way towards helping americans in MLS but also those jumping to europe in my opinion. the fact that the MLS payscale is often quite different from europe (although getting closer by the year) makes for a lot of weird moves in both directions.

    on top of it all, the scene is not static. the situations at these clubs is very dynamic and constantly shifting...so picking the right club to sign for is like trying to hit a moving target....for just one example look at weah - brendan rogers loved him brought him in loan and then bounced - now weah is on the pine - no way to predict that..but had a huge impact on the quality of his loan.

    somehow players need to make a wise move(s) AND get very lucky oftentimes...the off-field considerations are often more important than the on-field ones. and the on-field considerations are VERY IMPORTANT.

    what will help a lot is when MLS gains in respect and wealth - then the americans jumping to europe will be more expensive and have higher expectations placed on them from the beginning - more tyler adams-like stories will mean clubs will sign/transfer americans and they will be on the field for good clubs instead of the hinterlands.....that and USMNT success too. it is very important for all american players how the national team is doing.
     
  7. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    can you tell me why MLS fans come to YA and spew nonsense about how bad "europe" is for American players and crap on the ones that struggle? I have my theories.

    Depends on the number included in the total group. I'd easily put it at over 95% and it goes to 100% if Eddie pope is excluded from the group considered. He was a nice defender, but over rated by many.
     
  8. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    What happened to letting the player decide what is best for him? Wasnt that the slogan of your fan club?

    You what league has a poor track record with Americans? MLS! Outside of the few who have escaped, their talent/potential has been wasted. You can deride the EPL all you want, but Miazga, Yedlin, Steffen, etc only option was MLS or the EPL. I think they chose very wisely.
     
  9. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    random thought: is MLS strategically funneling its tranfsers to the EPL?

    I really see no reason why yedlin miazga or steffen HAD to go to the EPL if they were ready for Europe....plenty of other leagues they couldve gone to (and in miazgas case did)
     
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  10. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Who else offered them the same money? I'm not aware of teams outside of the EPL that will spend $4+ million on unproven MLS players. I am pretty sure those guys had other interest, but not at the price MLS wanted and EPL teams were willing to pay.
     
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  11. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    I think it’s because only the EPL is willing to pay the price that MLS is seeking for 21+ year old players that still need polish. I think there would be a lot more interest in younger players that they could develop before they hit their 20s.
     
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  12. bsky22

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  13. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    If by strategic you mean "$$$$$" then probably...
     
  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    They display Emo at the end of the season to seduce some Scottish club into getting him on a loan. Business as usual.

    It's business. MLS owners, investors & associates have interests in England. Who do you think it's behind those companies acquiring English clubs? Some Yanks own the English clubs openly (like Kroenke with Arsenal, Matt Hulsizer with Bournemouth, the Glazers with United, etc.) and many more do it through those "limited responsibility" investment firms.

    In some ways they can be seen as internal transfers, since the partial owners are the same here and there.
     
  15. Dirt McGirt

    Dirt McGirt Member+

    Jun 20, 2005
    Phoenix, AZ
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any guesses where EH ends up next season? Brad Smith is on loan to the Sounders from Bournmouth. That has been very successful for all parties involved. Although I don't necessarily seeing EH having that type of impact in MLS (at least for a top club).
     
  16. wixson7

    wixson7 Member+

    May 12, 2009
    boulder
    Barcelona
     
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  17. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At Espanyol? Could do worse...
     
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  18. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
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    Yea but at least he will get to train with world class players. That’s the most important thing I hear.
     
  19. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    I know this was a shot at those who believe in “pushing themselves” but any benefit of training at the highest level really fades once prospects hit their early 20s. I’d argue there’s real benefits while a younger prospect. Once they hit their young 20s, they need to be playing more while practices become less important.
     
  20. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    For most top players it's hard to differentiate - since most top players by their early 20s are both playing regularly and practicing at a high level, but I wonder if you could see any pattern between the eventual development of players who, say, stay at Chelsea, Man City and other "squad/loan heavy" top clubs and train, perhaps make the bench but rarely play and their counterparts at the same club who are loaned out and play regularly in 'lesser" leagues/teams. Probably too small a group to determine much, but it might be interesting.
     
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  21. lmorin

    lmorin Member+

    Mar 29, 2000
    New Hampshire
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    --other--
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    United States
    Heard on SiriusXM FC radio today that Hyndman might be starting, although the projected lineup in the Guardian has him as a possible sub.
     
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  22. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Thanks for sharing some news/rumors. It is much needed in this thread.
     
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  23. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    More chatter fwiw.

     
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  24. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

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    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
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    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...Unless you're Lletget, and you waltz into LAG's starting XI after 8 years in West Ham's reserves.
     
  25. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    On the bench.
     

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