Edwin Cardona news & comments

Discussion in 'Colombians Abroad' started by sidspaceman, Dec 16, 2014.

  1. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    He would probably get caught upfield too much. But Pekerman used him at RB against Bolivia both times in Barranquilla. Against teams like that he can do it.
     
  2. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    I agree the only way we can play with Quintero/James/Cardona is if Cardona plays the Aguilar role which I think would be his best position anyways. All of them want the ball at their feet, its not even if they are fast or not its that they want to get on the ball in the midfield, and if we have 3 of them in the attacking areas we don't have anyone making runs off the ball. You take 3 players with great vision and no one making runs and its a waste, but if Cardona was deeper it could work.

    ------------Falcao
    ------James-----------JFQ
    Mojica--Barrios-Cardona-Cuadrado
    -----Murillo-Mina-Sanchez

    I think this is feasible, or could instead move to our 4-2-2-2 and put someone like Muriel beside Falcao and sacrifice one of the CB's. But without Cardona playing in that position consistently for club I think it's a moot point and it can't happen so Cardona will have to accept the backup role for now which is fine. But I do think based on our play over this last cycle we need two of the 3 playing together unless we develop a new style under our coach.
     
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  3. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I like the balls on Cardona and can see him
    Using his long range shots.

    I am a big fan of his he just needs to stop being such a fking idiot and also get in shape.

    Would love to see him link or with Quintero and James. I don’t want to see Cuadrado starting any more.

    Arias sucking in the final 3rd.... you guys realize he is a RB right? And probably created the 2nd most chances after Quintero.....

    Haters gonna hate. Leave Michael Cera alone!
     
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  4. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    That's not a good thing. All the data in soccer analytics is really against lots of shots from long range, you just rarely score from there and you almost always are turning the ball over when keeping it and trying to get into better shooting positions is much more valuable. Sure a long range effort 1 In 25 looks great but that's a terrible conversion rate and relying on that is not ideal. Once in a while is fine but he'd be better off if he limited bombing from long range all the time especially with players like James/Falcao/Quintero around him.
     
  5. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I’m all for the occasional shot outside the 18. Keeps defenders and GK on their toes, could lead to a poaching opportunity, corner, etc

    After all, It was Uribe’s long shot that led to the corner in the final minutes that allowed Mina to score against England.
     
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  6. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    that's all well and good but if Messi listened to 'data in soccer analytics' he would realize the chances of dribbling thru 2-3 players and scoring is rare so why do it!

    Cardona, Riquelme, JFQ, C7, Bale etc are specialists at long shots...They are almost clinical when you give them that space because even if the GK saves, it's a rebound or corner or other play which can lead to a goal. Teams that have players that can connect at long range really trouble defenses that lie deep on their field. It's a proven tool for many teams with these type of players regardless of 'data BS'
     
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  7. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    James too
     
  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    You never seem to follow logic.
    You complain about players all the time who are better than Arias yet you do not consider yourself a "hater".
    A bit hypocritical.

    And no one is hating on Arias. I am just saying he is wasting chances in the final third which is an accurate observation. He needs to do better.
     
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  9. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    That's not how analytics work. Its cool though, I'm sure the best teams in the world who all have designed their play around analytics and use data analytical tools to determine players value are much more likely to rely on their gut feeling that long shots are good.
     
  10. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I am just glad we FINALLY have midfielders who can shoot from the outside.

    Prior to guys like Cardona , James and JuanFEr I never wanted any of our players to shoot outside the box. Like NEVER ever.

    Now I am less apprehensive about it.
     
  11. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    JFQ, Cardona and James are all very good shooting outside the box, in that regard they are big outliers and its a good weapon to have as Krometekote said especially when defenses are sitting deep. James and JFQ for instance are almost always going to look for the pass if its there and having the shot keeps the defense on its toes and keeps the unpredictable, Cardona on the other hand is more shot happy. I remember a couple games for Colombia he had James wide open in space and he had his mind set on a long distance shot and the chance was wasted.

    Shooting from distance is fine to have and use in the right spots, JFQ and especially James are impeccable from what I've seen about picking when to shoot and are usually looking to find a teammate in space if they can, Cardona isn't as good a decision maker yet and even though he shoots well its still better the vast majority of the time to be patient.
     
  12. Furnaccio

    Furnaccio Member+

    Feb 19, 2008
    New York, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Guarin was probably another guy I didn’t mind taking shots from distance pre 2014. Although these two goals made up 50% of his total goal tally



     
  13. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Players like guarin, pabon, and cuadrado waste chances when they kept shooting from outside.

    Quinterito and James can shoot as much as they want
     
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  14. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
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  15. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I hope Villa pans out. We need a future star
     
  16. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  17. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Bad news for him and you never want to see someone get injured.

    That said, hopefully we see what Benedetti can do with more minutes.
     
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  18. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Haha was going to say the same thing but didn’t want to get attacked on here.

    Is Cardonas ban finally over?
     
  19. SoyDelMustang

    SoyDelMustang Member+

    Dec 24, 2007
    Flushing,Queens
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Should be red carded. Wtf
     
  20. jay luis

    jay luis Member+

    Sep 14, 2013
    Corona, Nyc
    Club:
    Deportivo Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    What did he do?
     
  21. SoyDelMustang

    SoyDelMustang Member+

    Dec 24, 2007
    Flushing,Queens
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Elbow straight to the face to one of rivers guys. Tried to “protect” the ball but you can tell he knew exactly what he was doing. So frustrating to watch a player you root for do dumb ass shit like that.
     
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  22. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    anyone have a good feed?
     
  23. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    And that's like the 5th time I've seen him do that.

    He brought on good energy when he came in today, but he's such a hot head. He and Zarate nearly got into a fight because the latter took a shot when Cardona felt he had a better angle. River's players had to intervene.
     
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  24. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Cardona helped that boca improved...but the guy is crazy.

    Worst match of barrios in a while..

    Borre and Juanfer built up the second goal..that scored scocco....borre sacfrificed was top , quintero also made a decent job....tactical tools for the win

    Villa played little...but he was dangerous....he should understand that he is not in colombia anymore...is annoying how he get pf the floor crying when he is tackled despite the ball is in game..
    .(two weeks ago the same)
     
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  25. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    Cardona is an idiot. It's a shame the guy has so much talent, hopefully he'll grow out of that shit.
     
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