Ecuatorianos en el exterior, Part IV

Discussion in 'Ecuador - Players Abroad' started by cristian1mv, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. ECUAlex

    ECUAlex Member

    Feb 24, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I agree with you on that. Cabezas and Tin Angulo are still very raw footballers. A jump to Europe could be a bit risky for now but no doubt they'll make it. I know that these guys aren't all youngins anymore but I wonder if they need to ease their way into Europe due to their character. Jose Angulo is still very young. There are rumors that teams in Italy were trying to sign him, a place where the racism has been highly documented. A lot of these guys are very humble and probably never left the country (aside from futbol). Going to a culture closer to their own might be beneficial and may show on the field.
     
  2. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Simple response- money.

    Money does the talking. Fluminense is most likely offering way more to IDV for Orejuela and Sornoza than any other European team is. IDV wants the money, the players want the money- where do they go? Where the money is at. If a team like Las Palmas or Granada want Orejuela (for example) and are only offering $1.5 stacks to IDV and a salary of $70k per month and a team like Fluminense is offering $3 million and a salary of $90k per month where do you think Orejuela will choose to go? Where do you think IDV will want him to go/ who is their best option to negotiate with? Obviously Flu. In the mind of IDV, the option is obvious. They are a business and should be about it. Orejuela has a choice- neither are bad. The Brazilian league pays well, he's in a competitive team, and will have a chance to increase his value a lot more thinking in a future transfer to Europe. What's there to lose for him? Meanwhile if he goes to Las Palmas (for example), he'll make less money, may risk not playing (which could happen in Flu too), and his value may decrease at that point. If he fails in a small team there the question is- who will want him? So why not Brazil? If you ask me he made a great decision. Sornoza made an even better one. Why? because Sornoza has already FAILED in Mexico. I didn't think I'd see this kid leaving Ecuador again so soon and to an even more competitive and bigger team. I'm shocked. He's so one dimensional. I'm actually in shock that any Brazilian team would want him. Not to wish him bad luck, I hope he does well....but I don't see him succeeding in Brazil. If he does, then GOOD. I hope so, but do I see his time in Brazil as a success? Nope. So who wins here? HE does. He's milking the cow off his good moment in IDV and his good run in the cup. He's going to make his stacks and then probably go back to Ecuador (to a big team like BSC or Emelec who will ALSO pay him a high salary) or another foreign league and continue stacking. Good move by Sornoza! And same with Orejuela.

    Sornoza is 22 and Orejuela just turned 23. Is Brazil a good place to be at that age? HECK yes, why not? as long as they're in Europe in a year or two. So time to shine now!

    Now...do I see Tin Angulo staying in the americas? NO! It should be his last option to go to Brazil or Mexico (b/c honestly they're the only ones who have the money to acquire him). Do I think he's ready for Europe? Of course. He's a very RARE talent. It's not often that you see a 21 year old performing at this level with such confidence in a big international tournament. So believe me, it would be a bit of a fail if he isn't Europe-bound to a decent team. I can't believe IDV only want 7 million. $10 at least if he were my player. $7 million is a gift. He has all the talent and then some to perform successfully in any European league he goes to. He's ready and I'm sure about it.

    Arturo Mina I think could have done better. River is amazing, but I saw him in the Premier League or Bundesliga. He's THAT good to me. He has what it takes to shine in those leagues NOW. I doubt he stays too long in River, but I'm 100% sure his price tag will sky rocket. You guys watch...River will be the one banking off him the RIGHT way. I'm sure he'll make a positive impact there and will be loved by the fans, but they'll enjoy him for a short period. He's too good to go unnoticed by the euros playing in a team like River.
     
  3. midfield.design

    May 13, 2015
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Agree with your assessment. The one item that was not mentioned was that in most cases IDV will keep a % of there rights. Mina for example IDV per public reports will still own 40% of the player rights. I really don't know about the others but IDV management is smart and could see the same structure with the other players. River plate paid 4 million for 60% of Mina rights not bad if you tell me that after a year he will be in the EPL with probably a 15 million price tag. River plate and IDV wins.
     
  4. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Yea our players are pretty expensive and the price tag trows away a bunch of teams it not like our guy never get offers they do but the player and the team go for the one with the better offer. I am glad it was Brazil, and Argentina rather than mexico or a non-competitive league. Like I said this is progress and if they succeed here than they will definitely jump to Europe. Mina to Europe in a year is definitely possible.
     
  5. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I can't believe what I'm reading. Mina could have done better than River? Its the biggest club in South America. Playing for River is like playing for Real Madrid or Barcelona of South America. Not only we he get top class coaching at River, but he will understand what it takes to adapt to playing at a massive club with media attention and pressure from the fans.

    Sure, it would be "sexier" to go to the EPL, but at River he will get experience playing for a team like Swansea or Southhampton could never bring him.

    Theres also the fact the River is the best preparation for making the jump to the Ecuadorian national team full time. I give you the example of the 2014 World Cup where River sent 3 Colombians to the World Cup. Teo Gutierrez, Carlos Carbonero, and Eder Alvarez Balanta. Another example is Carlos Sanchez who never played for the Uruguayan national team before the age of 30, exploded at River winning the 2014 Copa Sudamericana and 2015 Copa Libertadores and is now probably Uruguay's most important player after Luis Suarez. For Argentina, Matias Kranevitter, Gabriel Mercado, Ramiro Funes Mori, and Jonathan Maidana all made the jump to the Argentina national team playing at River.

    There also the way River exports talent to Europe. I give you the example of Eder Alvarez Balanta. Coming off the worst season of his career, he was transferred to Basel and will be playing in the Champions League this season. And literally I mean he was at fault for almost all of River's goals in the Copa Libertadores and especially against IDV when both goals were his fault. Still, he's gonna be playing champions league.

    I look at Matias Kranevitter who went directly from River to Atletico Madrid to play UEFA Champions League Final. He will be playing at Sevilla, UEFA Europa League champions, also in the champions this season.

    Ramiro Funes Mori went for over 20 million euros to Everton where he is now a big star. I could continue with the list, but you guys get the picture.

    German Pezzella, who was never a starter at River, is now starting at Real Betis and one of the best young defenders in la liga.

    These are just a few examples over the last few years.

    Playing for River will also give Ecuador a player in a big argentine club. Juan Cazares played only a handful of games before moving to Banfield and Abel Casquete has played 2 matches but is still too young. Mina on the other hand has a chance to make a real impact in Argentine football. It will give him the chance to play for trophies, prepare him for the national team, give him big time experience, and if he does well, a chance to go to Europe.
     
  6. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I never disregarded River's prestige as a club or the Argentine league in any way. It's a competitive league and YES, I've said it myself- River and Boca are the two giants of south America. There is no bigger game than Boca vs. River. Both two giants and playing in those teams, handling that type of pressure, and shining there is a huge accomplishment because it means the player is talented and has huge potential for growth. Especially if you shine in River in your younger years. That being said, what I meant by "he can do better" is simply this-

    1. if he plays in the EPL (for example- rumors were he had offers to a few teams out in Europe) his salary would be MUCH higher than what River can offer. That's facts.
    2. depending on the team he goes to chances are he would be able to play multiple different cups- FA Cup (along with other domestic cups in the PL), Champions, Europa, etc. Great experience.
    3. The PL is more competitive then Argentina. That's also known facts. It's one of the best leagues in the world-if not the best, but of course that debatable.
    4. He can develop more as a player here in all respects: training, discipline, mentally, physically, etc. It's the reason every players dream is go play in these leagues.

    And there can be many more factors as to why "Mina could've done better". That doesn't say that River isn't a good option, but can he do better? The answer is yes. Every player that's currently in River should believe they could do better. Or else Ramiro Funes Mori wouldn't be the player he is right now making lots more money in a more competitive league and Falcao and Alexis Sanchez would've never made it big in Europe if they never dreamed to achieve more. If you have the talent to make it in a more competitive league that will benefit you financially and allow you to reach your dreams, then you're supposed to go for it. That's the real message.
     
  7. Quilotoa

    Quilotoa Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Brasilia, Brazil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Well, it's one of THE big clubs in South America! What about Flamengo, Corinthians, Santos, Atletico Mineiro or any of the many Brazilian clubs? At least one of them is usually on par (at a minimum) with River and/or Boca. River is a great team no doubt but not consistently THE best in South America.
     
  8. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Dude, going to River was a great decision. He will be noticed at River if he's consistent enough and be in Europe in 2 years(mid table team to be realist.) Look at Erazo, he's still in Brazil....3 teams in 2 years. He's not going anywhere.
     
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  9. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Outstanding performance by Mina really glad he is playing in River Plate.

     
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  10. RiverGaucho

    RiverGaucho Member+

    Jan 23, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Saw are all of us, trust me
     
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  11. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
  12. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I saw that lol, where did that come from, he has a reputation of being very polite and nice.
     
  13. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    BTW Erazo is back, played 90 minutes today and lets cross our fingers our boys abroad get into some type of rhythm this month (Looking at you Jeff) and they come ready to battle Uruguay.
     
  14. The Machine

    The Machine Member

    Oct 19, 2009
    Newark
    Club:
    Emelec Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Any news on Jose Angulo? He's one of the more exciting young players we've had come through in quite some time. Without a doubt he has the biggest upside. It might be 1 or 2 years before we see him play again. Best case scenario is he gets suspended for only 6 months. Hopefully he gets the minimum.
     
  15. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    I think him and his lawyer are still fighting his case to determine his suspension it seems like he has a good lawyer so I think he might get the min.
     
  16. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
  17. ECUAlex

    ECUAlex Member

    Feb 24, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    There's reports U Catolica is finalizing a deal with Sao Paulo for Arboleda.


    Does anyone here think he's ready for that move? I haven't paid attention to him. Quinteros has been calling him up regularly but he hardly gets minutes (and I don't count the game against El Salvador as a real assessment). Could be another case of a player adapted to Quito losing that advantage, but it's a great step for his career.
     
  18. javer

    javer Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Club:
    Liga de Quito

    Ecuador XI U-23 players in Europe
    *Gianfranco Gazzaniga
    Cristian Ramirez, Gabriel Corozo, Anderson Ordonez, Pervis Estupinan
    Josimar Quinteros, Gustavo Quezada,
    Bryan Cabezas, Joel Valencia, Kevin Mercado
    Jordan Gaspar
    *Gianfranco Gazzaniga is Ecuadorian by birth only.

    Any other young Ecuadorian players in Europe please add. I like to follow them.
     
  19. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
  20. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    What a stupid move by Cifuentes. His career is over. Another dumb idiot from Ecuador making stupid decisions that kills their career.
     

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