News: Earthquakes fire coach Kinnear, promote ex-player Leitch

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  1. Fiosfan

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    Mar 21, 2010
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  2. Dolemite

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    Apr 2, 2001
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    wow.... after a win too
     
  3. PhillyMLS

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    And getting into a play-off spot.
     
  4. Fiosfan

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    Mar 21, 2010
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    And Pablo Mastroeni has nine lives .:eek:

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  5. Knave

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    Well, that was unexpected.
     
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  6. SoccerMan94043

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    Not on PPG. Plus goal differential of -3, playing the most unappealing soccer possible and losing season ticket holders (we once had a queue of thousands on a total of 14K season tickets, I bet we end up below 10K after this year).
     
  7. Fiosfan

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    It sounds like there's or are more to this firing .
     
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  8. Fiosfan

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    #8 Fiosfan, Jun 25, 2017
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  9. SoccerMan94043

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    Maybe this means we're finally getting real. God forbid.
     
  10. Knave

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    May 25, 1999
    Hopeful Quakes fans? God forbid! :D
     
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  11. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
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    Can someone calculate Dom's Win% for me? For this season and last - is it below 33%?
     
  12. dredgfan

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    You really asking for someone to do your google and basic math for you?
     
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  13. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
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    I don't know how it's commonly calculated for W-T-L in soccer or if there is even an agreed-upon formula.
     
  14. AutoPenalti

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    #14 AutoPenalti, Jun 26, 2017
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    Okay, so if DK managed 85 games including this one, and his record is 27-31-27 as manager of the Quakes, then we are talking about a 32% win percentage.

    Since 27 / 85 * 100 = 31.78%

    Therefore, from this formula, we can conclude that the selection of Chris Lietch was an odd hire and that I need to go to bed.
     
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  15. mjlee22

    mjlee22 Quake & Landon fan

    Nov 24, 2003
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    So ties don't count for anything in Win%? That's surprising!

    So here is a theory I floated a few weeks ago, that coaches get fired mid-season when their Win% falls to 33%
     
  16. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

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  17. firefan2001

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    Dec 27, 2000
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    .317 winning percentage
    .476 overall percentage

    Not bad, he's also won 4 MLS CUPS (2 with SJ and 2 with Houston).

    SJ going with a coach with ZERO coaching experience. STRANGE.
     
  18. firefan2001

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    Sorry can't edit on my phone, he's coached 2 MLS CUP Champions and was an assistant coach on two more.

    Coached Houston to two MLS CUPS and was an assistant coach for SJ's two MLS CUPS.
     
  19. gunnerfan7

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    Eh, seems like Kinnear wasn't going to toe the company line, so he got let go.

    His style is gritty and unappealing, meanwhile the ownership has been going through some changes, both to the FO (firing the GM) and at the youth levels, trying to instill a pass-first mentality throughout each level.

    So, the decision to then select their former youth director makes sense. Who better than Leitch to change up the Quakes style and bring through promising prospects like Thommy Thompson and Kip Kelvey, players who inexplicably never quite materialized under Kinnear?

    Now, whether that actually works remains to be seen, but there's some logic to this move, especially before the arrival of at least one, if not more, DP players. New coach that understands and embraces the style that the FO would like to play, plus money to spend, plus uninspiring ticket sales, equals firing your HC.
     
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  20. Fiosfan

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  21. Three and Three

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    That Dom insisted on a narrow playing area always annoyed me.
     
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  22. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Maybe... if he was actually, demonstrably, a coach.
     
  23. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    Dom Kinnear should be an Arena assistant for the World Cup team. Much better role for him. Let somebody else bring the vision. And he's ultimately an Arenaball believer.
     
  24. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    CHEAP.
     
  25. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    So much to unpack here, and hopefully that's being done on the Quakes board. Things have been coming to a head, maybe there was an incident.

    But the Quakes have been left behind MLS because they were cheap - and their way of going about being cheap was by being pragmatic to the point of cynicism.

    This is not a smaller budget team that compensates with a big vision - like SKC, Dallas, RSL, Columbus or cripes, even the Philly Union, by comparison to SJ. Now, finally, Houston has beaten San Jose to the vision thing.

    The Quakes have been anti-vision. Nobody represented that better than the Yallop/Watson/Doyle/Kinnear regime, that so well suited Lew Wolff's non-spending habits. The results of this anti-vision have been made plain: not a lot of fans want to pay to watch a club fail.

    The things that sucks here is a totally unproven, non-coach has been given the responsibility to enact a Vision, hopefully. But is it window dressing? 'Cause who would expect an utter novice to
    succeed in such a tough league? And yet it may look like The Vision that failed.* And everyone will look back at this slice in time and say "Kinnear had them in a playoff spot!"

    Oh well, we can always hope!

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