Final confirmed draw (with squads already announced in bold): Group #1 competitor #1: B. Benelux-A (La-Maquina) competitor #2: A. Argentina-B (poetgooner) competitor #3: D. Poland (Excape Goat) competitor #4: C. Uruguay (msioux) Group #2 competitor #1: D. Hungary (PDG1978) competitor #2: B. France-B (thebigman) competitor #3: C. Rest of South America-A (msioux) competitor #4: A. Italy-B (Titanlux) Group #3 competitor #1: D. Yugoslavia (PDG1978) competitor #2: C. Rest of the World (Excape Goat) competitor #3: B. British Isles-A (thebigman) competitor #4: A. Spain (poetgooner) Group #4 competitor #1: C. Italy Reserves (PDG1978) competitor #2: D. Bulgaria-Romania (La-Maquina) competitor #3: B. Benelux-B (poetgooner) competitor #4: A. Argentina-A (msioux) Group #5 competitor #1: D. Austria (Titanlux) competitor #2: B. British Isles-B (poetgooner) competitor #3: A. Portugal (Excape Goat) competitor #4: C. Africa (Peru FC) Group #6 competitor #1: D. Soviet Union (La-Maquina) competitor #2: B. Germany-B (Peru FC) competitor #3: C. Spain Reserves (Titanlux) competitor #4: A. Brazil-A (thebigman) Group #7 competitor #1: B. Germany-A (Peru FC) competitor #2: D. Fennoscandia (PDG1978) competitor #3: C. Brazil Reserves (thebigman) competitor #4: A. Italy-A (Titanlux) Group #8 competitor #1: D. Czechoslovakia (Excape Goat) competitor #2: C. Rest of South America-B (msioux) competitor #3: B. France-A (La-Maquina) competitor #4: A. Brazil-B (Peru FC)
Oh, it is up to you mate, but I allowed you to pick a Rest of the World squad instead if you wanted (Conacaf, Asia, Oceania, maybe the European nations not involved yet too). You can if you want, but you can stick with Conacaf if you prefer still of course. I'd have to check if Angloma was taken in a French squad - I think maybe he was.
@PDG1978 1) I just deleted my Czechoslavakia team. 2) Whatr countries are the rest of the world? I don't have time to read all of the messages. CONCACAF + Turkey + Greece + where else?
No problem mate - I understand. 1) Oh, it was great so I hope it returns soon, but yeah it just needs a Bican replacement (but Kubala is indeed available for Czechoslovakia at least). 2) CONACAF, Australia, New Zealand, all of Asia, and every European nation except these: Italy, France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, England, Scotland, N.Ireland, Wales, Republic of Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Austria, Poland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, plus Yugoslavia, Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia and the new nations that used to be contained in them (eg Ukraine, Montenegro etc etc). I think it would be shorter to list the ones you could take but I might miss some! But certainly yes Greece, Turkey, Iceland, Switzerland. You could do it without European nations if you wanted and then it'd be Rest of the World as in all the world except Europe/SA/Africa, but you're welcome to include the unused European nations too so that it is Rest of the World as in all nations not otherwise involved
Argentina 01 CARRIZO, Amadeo 02 PERFUMO, Roberto 03 TARANTINI, Alberto 04 SOSA, Carlos 05 REDONDO, Fernando 06 AYALA, Roberto 07 ORSI, Raimundo 08 PEDERNERA, Adolfo 09 DI STÉFANO, Alfredo 10 MARADONA, Diego 11 BATISTUTA, Gabriel 12 GATTI, Hugo 13 SALOMÓN, José 14 YÁCONO, Norberto 15 SORÍN, Juan Pablo 16 RATTÍN, Antonio 17 SIMEONE, Diego 18 SASTRE, Antonio 19 BOCHINI, Ricardo 20 CORBATTA, Oreste Omar 21 PONTONI, René 22 BERTONI, Ricardo Daniel 23 TESORIERE, Américo
Lionel Messi Daniel Passarella Javier Zanetti Silvio Marzolini Jose Manuel Moreno Felix Loustau Luis Monti Nestor Rossi Mario Kempes Oscar Ruggeri Ubaldo Fillol Omar Sivori Walter Samuel Osvaldo Ardiles Angel Labruna Javier Mascherano Juan Sebastian Veron Juan Roman Riquelme Sergio Aguero Esteban Cambiasso Luis Artime Gabriel Heinze Antonio Roma
Austria 1.- Alaba, David 2.- Bican, Josef 3.- Binder, Franz 4.- Blum, Josef 5.- Decker, Karl 6.- Hanappi, Gerhard 7.- Happel, Ernst 8.- Herzog, Andreas 9.- Hiden, Rudolf 10.- Koller, Karl 11.- Krankl, Hansi 12.- Nausch, Walter 13.- Ocwirk, Ernst 14.- Pezzey, Bruno 15.- Polster, Anton 16.- Prohaska, Herbert 17.- Sara, Robert 18.- Schall, Anton 19.- Sesta, Karl 20.- Sindelar, Matthias 21.- Smistik, Josef 22.- Zeman, Walter 23.- Zischek, Karl
My All-Time Czechoslovakia team. Team GK: Frantisek Planicka (Czech Republic) Frantisek Planicka was considered one of the greatest keepers of his generation. He was known for his sportsmenship. He went to play in two World Cup Finals in 1934 and 1938, where he finished second in 1934. He was their captain. He played all his career for Slavia Prague, during which time the club won the Czech league eight times and the Mitropa Cup once. GK: Petr Cech (Czech Republic) Petr Cech is best remembered for being Chelsea's undisputred starting keeper from 2004 to 2014. He won almost everything in club football. He is considered among the greatest of his era. He also played for Sparta Prague, Rennes and Arsenal. For Czech Republic, he is the most capped player in the history of the Czech team, with 124 caps, and represented the country at the 2006 World Cup, as well as the 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016 European Championships. GK: Ivo Viktor (Czech Republic) Ivo Viktor placed third in the 1976 Ballon d'Or, and was a five-time winner of the Czechoslovak Footballer of the Year award, and a two-time winner of the European Goalkeeper of the Year award. He was the hero of Euro 1976, where Czechoslovakia won the championship. He played for Czechoslovakia for 63 times between 1966 and 1977. The majority of his senior club career was with Dukla Prague. RB: Karol Dobias (Slovakia) Karol Dobias was capped 67 times for Czechoslovakia, scored 6 goals. He was a participant at the 1970 FIFA World Cup. and a member of Czechoslovak winning team at 1976 European Football Championship. In the 1976 final game Dobiaš scored a goal that gave Czechoslovakia a 2-0 lead against West Germany. . In 1970 and 1971, he was named Czechoslovak Footballer of the Year. RB/RW/CB/LB: Zdeněk Grygera (Czech Republic) Known for his all round abilities, Zdeněk Grygera played with Petra Drnovice and Sparta Prague at home before heading to play in Netherlands with Ajax in 2003. In 2007, he moved to Juventus. After highly successful years in Turin, he moved to play for Fulham in 2011. At the international level, Grygera played for the Czech Republic at UEFA Euro 2004, the 2006 FIFA World Cup and UEFA Euro 2008. He was capped 65 times between 2001 and 2009. CB: Jaroslav Burgr (Czech Republic) Jaroslav Burgr was a participant in two World Cup Finals, in 1934 and 1938. He played 57 matches for the national team between 1929 and 1938, while captaining the national team on several occasions. He also played for Bohemia under the German occupation. He played domestic club football mostly for AC Sparta Prague, where he collected 7 league titles. He played for SK Most. CB: Anton Ondrus (Slovakia) Anton Ondrus played 58 matches for Czechoslovakia and scored 9 goals. As the captain, he led the national team in the 1976 UEFA European Championship, winning against West Germany in the Final. He played for Slovan Bratislava from 1970 to 1980, and he served as the captain. In the West, he played for Club Brugge K.V. in Belgium, CS Thonon-les-Bains in France and FC Biel-Bienne in Switzerland. CB: Jan Popluhar (Slovakia) Jan Popluhar was one of the greatest defender from the Warsaw Pact countries. He was best remembered for taking Czechoslovakia to the Final of the World Cup in 1962. He earned 62 caps. He played 15 seasons for ŠK Slovan Bratislava. In 1968, he moved to French league side Olympique Lyonnais. Two seasons there were enough, but subsequently he spent five years with Austrian amateur club SK Slovan Vienna as player/coach. CB: Miroslav Kadlec (Czech Republic) Miroslav Kadlec played for Czechoslovakia and later the Czech Republic; for both he played a total of 64 matches and scored two goals. He took part in the 1990 FIFA World Cup. Six years later, he led the Czech national football team on its way to finish second at the 1996 UEFA European Football Championship. During his career, Kadlec played for four Czech clubs, and also had an eight-year stint with Bundesliga's 1. FC Kaiserslautern, where he was crowned league champion in 1991 and 1998. CB: Tomas Ujfalusi (Czech Republic) Tomas Ujfalusi played 78 times for the Czech Republic, representing the nation at the 2006 World Cup and two European Championships. He was a key player for the 2000s Golden Generation. He played for Hamburg, Atlético Madrid, Galatasaray, Sigma Olomouc and Sparta Prague. He won the Europa League in 2010 with Atletico Madrid. LB: Marek Jankulovski (Czech Republic) Marek Jankulovski's most notable achievements include winning the UEFA Champions League with A.C. Milan and being voted the 2007 Czech Footballer of the Year. He earned 77 caps for the Czech Republic, and represented them at three European Championships, the 2000 Olympics and the 2006 World Cup. LB: Ladislav Novak (Czech Republic) Ladislav Novak played 75 matches for Czechoslovakia, 71 of them as its team captain. He went to three World Cup Finals: 1954, 1958 and 1962, where Czechoslavia finished second in 1962. In his country, Novák played mainly for Dukla Prague and won 8 championship titles with them. CM: Josef Masopust (Czech Republic) Josef Masopust is regarded as the greatest player coming from Czechoslovakia. He led the Czechoslovakia team that reached the 1962 FIFA World Cup final, losing to Brazil. In Europe, he took Czechoslovakia to third place at the 1960 UEFA European Football Championship. He was capped 63 times. He was named European Footballer of the Year in 1962. For domestic football, Masopust won eight league championships and three national cups with Dukla. CM: Svatopluk Pluskal (Czech Republic) Svatopluk Pluskal was capped 58 times from 1952 and 1965. He played in three World Cup Finals from 1954, 1958 and 1962. In 1962, he formed a partnership in the midfield with Josef Masopust and led his country to second place. The best years of his club career were spent at Dukla Prague, the army club, where he played for almost 16 years. RW: Karel Poborský (Czech Republic) Karel Poborský is the all-time leader in appearances for the Czech national team, with 118 between 1994 and 2006. He also played in three European Championships, being named in the Team of the Tournament at Euro 96 after helping the Czechs to the final. His most famous career in club football were spent with Manchester United and Benfica. LW/AM: Pavel Nedved (Czech Republic) Pavel Nedved was probably the best player from the region after the breakup of Czechoslovakia. He was a key player as the Czech Republic finished second at Euro 1996, and reached the semi-final at Euro 2004. At Lazio, he won the Scudetti in 1999-2000, only the second league title in Lazio's history. With Juventus, he led the team to the Final of the Champions' League final in 2013, but he sat out ofthe game due to suspension. He won the European Footballer of the that year. AM: Antonin Panenka (Czech Republic) Antonin Panenka played most of his career for Bohemians Prague. Panenka won the 1976 European Championship with Czechoslovakia. In the final against West Germany he scored the winning penalty in the shootout with a softly chipped ball up the middle as the goalie dived away; this style of penalty is now called the "Panenka penalty". AM: Marek Hamšík (Slovakia) At the time of writing, Marek Hamšík earned over 100 caps for Slovakia. He made a name at the World Cup in 2010, where Slovakia qualified for their first ever Finals and beat Italy in the First Round. He also helped Slovakia to qualify for their first ever European Championship in 2016. At the club level, he played for Slovan Bratislava and Brescia before joining Napoli in 2007. At Napoli, he established as one of the best midfielders in Serie A. AM/FW: Oldrich Nejedly (Czech Republic) Oldrich Nejedly spent his entire career at Sparta Prague as an inside-forward and he is considered one of Czechoslovakia's greatest players. He was top goalscorer of the 1934 World Cup. He was awarded the Bronze Ball in the 1934 World Cup as the third most outstanding player of the tournament and was voted into the All Star Team of the tournament. AM: Tomas Rosicky (Czech Republic) Tomas Rosicky was the star playmaker for the Czech Republic throughout the 2000s. He has taken part in four UEFA European Championships as well as the 2006 FIFA World Cup. He was Czech Footballer of the Year in 2001, 2002 and 2006. He started his career with Sparta Prague, and he had notable stints with Borussia Dortmund and Arsenal. FW: Laszlo Kubala (Slovakia) Laszlo Kubala was born in Hungary of a multi-cultural background. He was known as one of the greatest Barcelona players ever. He still managed to win 4 Li Liga titles in the 1950's in an era dominated by Real Madrid. In 1961, Barcelona eliminated Real Madrid from the European Cup, the first ever loss by Real Madrid at the tournament. He was capped by Hungry, Spain and Czechoslovakia, but never had a long international due being an exile living in the West. ST: Antonin Puc (Czech Republic) Antonin Puc played 61 matches for Czechoslovakia, scoring 35 goals. He played for Czechoslovakia in the 1934 FIFA World Cup scoring two goals, including one in the final, a 2-1 loss against Italy, and also played in the 1938 edition. He spent most of his club career with Slavia Prague. He is the all-time leading scorer for the Czechoslovak national team. ST: Jan Koller (Czech Republic) Jan Koller is best remembered for being the huge striker playing for the Czech Republic and Borussia Dortmund in the 2000s. He began his career at Sparta Prague, then moved to Belgium with Lokeren and Anderlecht. Between 2001 and 2006, he played for Borussia Dortmund. He also played for Monaco. At the international level, he is the all-time leading goal scorer for the Czech Republic, with 55 goals in 91 appearances. He played in 2006 World Cup Finals and two other European Championship.
Thanks Excape, but can you just name one more player. This one needs to be removed (Titanlux has him in the Austria squad): "ST: Josef Bican (Czech Republic) Josef Bican was a member of the Austrian Wunderteam of the 1930s. He is one of the most prolific scorers in history. He was, in the leagues that he played, the top-scorer 12 times during his 27 years career and Europe's top scorer in five consecutive season. He played for Rapid Wien before moving to play in Czechoslovakia. He also played for Czechoslovakia, but missed out on the WC Finals in 1939." Nice work with the Conacaf team too, and don't worry if you don't have time or don't want to change it to Rest of the World (but you can if you want).
I edited the post.... RB/RW/CB/LB: Zdeněk Grygera Known for his all round abilities, Zdeněk Grygera played with Petra Drnovice and Sparta Prague at home before heading to play in Netherlands with Ajax in 2003. In 2007, he moved to Juventus. After highly successful years in Turin, he moved to play for Fulham in 2011. At the international level, Grygera played for the Czech Republic at UEFA Euro 2004, the 2006 FIFA World Cup and UEFA Euro 2008. He was capped 65 times between 2001 and 2009.
Meanwhile....two AC Milan stars of the 60s pass late fitness tests (or maybe the manager just forgot he'd intended to include them), and so the Italy Reserves squad needs amending. The token combative midfielder, Dino Baggio, gets replaced by more of a capable outright man marker and defensive screen in Trapattoni, and since I probably picked De Sisti more on what I'd read than seen Lodetti can replace him and provide probably more of a midfield runner for the squad. The confirmed adjusted version is as follows.... Italy Reserves 23 player squad 1 - Gianluca Pagliuca 2 - Alessandro Costacurta 3 - Antonio Benarrivo 4 - Demetrio Albertini 5 - Roberto Rosato 6 - Pierluigi Cera 7 - Roberto Donadoni 8 - Giacomo Bulgarelli 9 - Roberto Boninsegna 10 - Giussepe Giannini 11 - Pierino Prati 12 - Gianluca Zambrotta 13 - Francesco Toldo 14 - Giovanni Lodetti 15 - Pietro Vierchowod 16 - Marco Verratti 17 - Attilio Lombardo 18 - Benito Carbone 19 - Enrico Chiesa 20 - Giussepe Signori 21 - Giovanni Trapattoni 22 - Roberto Mancini 23 - Luigi De Agostini
The rest of the world. @PDG1978 I want the eligibility of Vassilis Hatzipanagis (Greece). GK: Keylor Navas (Costa Rica) GK: Brad Freidel (USA) GK: Rustu Recber (Turkey) RB: Severino Minelli (Switzerland) CB/RB: Giourkas Seitaridis (Greece) CB: Rafael Marquez (Mexico) CB: Hong Myung-bo (South Korea) CB: Wes Morgan (Jamaica) LB: Yuto Nagatomo (Japan) LB: Avi Cohen (Israel) CM: Massimo Bonini (San Marino) DM: Theodoros Zagorakis (Greece) DM: Emre Belozoglu (Turkey) RW/LW: Park Ji-Sung (South Korea) LW: Vassilis Hatzipanagis (Greece) LW: Harry Kewell (Australia) AM: Magico Gonzalez (El Salavdor) AM: Tim Cahill (Australia) ST: Mark Viduka (Australia) ST: Hugo Sanchez (Mexico) ST: Stephane Chapuisat (Switzwerland) ST: Cha Bum Kun (South Korea) ST: Paulino Alcántara (the Philippines)
Yes, that's fine. We will ignore Soviet Olympic games. Your squads are all complete now then! Nice work, and enjoy your holiday.
I had a check of that one when I saw his name mate, and it seems he played for Catalonia before the Philippines, and then Spain afterwards. Although Catalonia is part of Spain, it isn't the same as the Spanish National team, so I'm allowing him in the Rest of the World squad and I think it is a complicated situation but it's consistent with the criteria of 'first nation played for' to do that.
@thebigman and I have already started the draft through PM's. Shortly I set up the squads of Germany (A and B) and Africa.
I have to disagree about the nationality of Alcantara, although I am not opposed to that in this game, do not play with Spain if that is decided. Paulino was born in the Philippines in 1896, when that territory was part of Spain. His father, a military man by profession, was assigned to that Asian colony. When proclaiming the independence of the Philippines, his father, along with his Filipino wife and his two-year-old son, returned to Spain, specifically to Barcelona, where Paulino grew up and grew up. Paulino Alcántara always put his studies before football, and that is why his achievements were lower than what they could have been (for example he missed the Olympic Games in Antwerp). He retired from football to practice his profession as a doctor of medicine. Precisely, his studies prevented him from being more than 4 times international with Spain, although he was, without doubt, one of the most outstanding players of the moment.
Interesting question so we can learn some things, thanks Titanlux... + as a precision (since he received this one cap in 1917), thanks to wiki : Philippines were colonized by the United States, this after the Spanish-American War. So they've been "independant" for a very short time. Philippines became independant in 1946. Also, as a side note, Philippines were certainly not recognized by the FIFa in '17. The main arguments in this precise case were brang already by Titanlux anyway. Rewriting History about Hatzipanagis in this game is no good too imo, but I'm not a participant/ drafter. More importantly, the comments on Wilimowski are strange.
Being an Asian and a writer of the blog on all time teams, I knew Alcantara's story very well. He earned his caps for the Philippines at the Far Asian Games in 1917 in which the Philippines won the Gold medal. Obviously, all games were being unofficial since AFC was not founded until 1956. However, the Far East tournament evolved into the Asian Games, in which the football tournament has been a senior national team tournament. I know as a fact that the Philippines might not be an independent country in 1917 and its FA did not become a FIFA member until 1934. Many countries around the world has similar stories. They did not become independent until lately and their FAs did not become FIFA member until late in the last century. Their records before the independence carried over to the new FAs depending on the situation. So why is the date of the Philippines' independence being questioned when many other countries are not an issue? I do not know this as a fact, I admitted, but it made sense that all Filipino players who played for them before 1934 were considered Filipino international player. I do agree that Hatzipanagis is eligible (although he was selected by Greece as their own greatest player at the UEFA Jubilee Awards). And he was not allowed to play for Greece in the 1980's, but his official status was "cleared" by Greece and UEFA. Anyway, I will take him out. I missed the comment about Wilimowski. I can take away Wilimowski from my all-time Poland team.
I'd be ok with not strictly applying the rule (it was more important to distinguish eligibility for Bican and Kubala for example - saying 'first nation played for' gave us a definitive answer to who could pick them when it could have been arguable otherwise for various reasons), if people can come to agreement. With that in mind, I would ask @Excape Goat whether you would be ok with foregoing Alcantara and bringing in another forward (for example Yorke was removed when you changed from CONACAF to Rest of the World so you have options like that)? And @La-Máquina if you had no intention of picking Hatzipanagis then I'm certainly ok with Excape retaining him. So let me know if you had him in mind or not if you can mate - cheers. What I find important is that nobody falls out with me as organiser, and also you don't fall out with each other please! It's only meant to be a fun game. What I also find important is not losing any agreed teams from the list though lol of course, including Spain Reserves, since I thought that offering to switch to Italy Reserves myself had solved the issues.
I hope you weren't annoyed that I only repped this and didn't add my own thoughts, but in essence I think it is always ok to use this thread to share an idea and gauge interest. Perhaps at the moment I open the new thread for this ATWC game, you could post here but yes maybe you would prefer to wait. Without an idea about exactly what sort of game you had in mind it's especially difficult to get a feeling for whether two games could run parallel. Maybe it depends how much thinking/posting time would be required to participate.